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Old 02-13-2014, 08:55 PM
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Looks like you are correct.

As I read the document, it bars the GOVERNMENT from violating church doctrine = upholding the United States Constitution.

Logical, considering the extreme MILITANT actions of lunatics attempting to force their private SEX LIFE into everyones FACE, especially if it VIOLATES RELIGIOUS belief.


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Woah !!! Are you seriously suggesting that church anything should in any way trump COTUS???

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Old 02-13-2014, 08:57 PM
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Looks like you are correct.

As I read the document, it bars the GOVERNMENT from violating church doctrine = upholding the United States Constitution.

Logical, considering the extreme MILITANT actions of lunatics attempting to force their private SEX LIFE into everyones FACE, especially if it VIOLATES RELIGIOUS belief.


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Can you please give an example of this militant action. I think my definition of militant may differ from yours.
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Woah !!! Are you seriously suggesting that church anything should in any way trump COTUS???
I do not think there is anything in the COTUS protecting sexual orientation. The Civil rights act protects everything but that. The democrats in the Sen passed a bill protecting sexual orientation but the republicans in the House killed it.

I think a better question would be is it OK to allow religious prejudice to be codified in law to allow discrimination.
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I think you are reading this proposed law wrong. If a gay person enters a restaurant, and somehow the employee or establishments knows or even thinks they guess is gay, they can refuse to serve.

So then the question is this. Would you be okay getting refused service because you are a known christian? So lets say I work at a business and refuse to serve you because you have a cross around your neck - you are okay with that?
It is my opinion that this law was written to keep people from being forced to make wedding cakes for gay couples...I'm basing it on the semi recent news articles. Gay Colorado couple sues bakery for allegedly refusing them wedding cake | Fox News

I'll agree that it is poorly written, and never should have been written...BUT, how do you write a law protecting business owners from refusing service based on religious beliefs? Those that wrote the law were trying too hard to be PC about things.

If it were written like this, there would be NO confusion..."If you are a member of the LBGT community, and want a service that the business owner refuses based on your sexual beliefs and the business owners religious beliefs, you cannot and will not sue in a court of law just to make a social stand." In other words, make your own damned cake, or find another business that is willing to meet your needs.

My words single out an entire community, making it much less PC than the way it was really written.
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Looks like you are correct.

As I read the document, it bars the GOVERNMENT from violating church doctrine = upholding the United States Constitution.

Logical, considering the extreme MILITANT actions of lunatics attempting to force their private SEX LIFE into everyones FACE, especially if it VIOLATES RELIGIOUS belief.


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That has got to be the weirdest thing I ever read in my life. Ignorance is amazing. So when was the last time a gay forced his sex life in your face? Gonna guess never.

Disgusting.

Westboro church anyone? Talking about forcing crap.
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It is my opinion that this law was written to keep people from being forced to make wedding cakes for gay couples...I'm basing it on the semi recent news articles. Gay Colorado couple sues bakery for allegedly refusing them wedding cake | Fox News

I'll agree that it is poorly written, and never should have been written...BUT, how do you write a law protecting business owners from refusing service based on religious beliefs? Those that wrote the law were trying too hard to be PC about things.

If it were written like this, there would be NO confusion..."If you are a member of the LBGT community, and want a service that the business owner refuses based on your sexual beliefs and the business owners religious beliefs, you cannot and will not sue in a court of law just to make a social stand." In other words, make your own damned cake, or find another business that is willing to meet your needs.

My words single out an entire community, making it much less PC than the way it was really written.
So where does it end? I refuse to serve christians. I refuse to serve is islamics. I refuse to serve people with darker skin because they might be more likely to be islamic.

Sorry, but your argument fails. Its discrimination no matter how you look at it. And its sad. What if you went out for asian food and got turned away because you where a christian. You still have not answered that.
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It is my opinion that this law was written to keep people from being forced to make wedding cakes for gay couples...I'm basing it on the semi recent news articles. Gay Colorado couple sues bakery for allegedly refusing them wedding cake | Fox News

I'll agree that it is poorly written, and never should have been written...BUT, how do you write a law protecting business owners from refusing service based on religious beliefs? Those that wrote the law were trying too hard to be PC about things.

If it were written like this, there would be NO confusion..."If you are a member of the LBGT community, and want a service that the business owner refuses based on your sexual beliefs and the business owners religious beliefs, you cannot and will not sue in a court of law just to make a social stand." In other words, make your own damned cake, or find another business that is willing to meet your needs.

My words single out an entire community, making it much less PC than the way it was really written.
How would that work if we take LGBT and substitute it with another group? How about your group? What if there are enough business that want to discriminate against your group so that you cannot get gas or food or .... ?

Bottom line is if you own a business you cannot discriminate based on race, color, religion or age. So if the KKK opens up a ice cream shop they have to serve me (a jew) a black, a Hispanic a Muslim ... but hey, they are religious so they don't have to serve gays.


Nah, that's not discrimination.
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Old 02-13-2014, 09:06 PM
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I do not think there is anything in the COTUS protecting sexual orientation. The Civil rights act protects everything but that. The democrats in the Sen passed a bill protecting sexual orientation but the republicans in the House killed it.

I think a better question would be is it OK to allow religious prejudice to be codified in law to allow discrimination.
That ^ needs to take a better look at what I quoted.
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If you want equality, then fight for equality...quit fighting for special treatment.
You still have not explained what special treatment is being sought.
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So where does it end? I refuse to serve christians. I refuse to serve is islamics. I refuse to serve people with darker skin because they might be more likely to be islamic.

Sorry, but your argument fails. Its discrimination no matter how you look at it. And its sad. What if you went out for asian food and got turned away because you where a christian. You still have not answered that.
If I were to be turned away, I take my money elsewhere. I've been turned away from some nice restaurants because I didn't have a tie...my money spent quite well at the place across the street.

We have a free market, folks...you're free to take your money to anyone who wants it bad enough. Those that accept all, will likely make more money than those that are choosey.
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Woah !!! Are you seriously suggesting that church anything should in any way trump SCOTUS???
Forcing a church to violate doctrine is a gross violation of the US constitution.

Please supply SCOTUS rulings that force churches to accept gay parishioners or clergy.

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Old 02-13-2014, 09:10 PM
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It is my opinion that this law was written to keep people from being forced to make wedding cakes for gay couples...I'm basing it on the semi recent news articles. Gay Colorado couple sues bakery for allegedly refusing them wedding cake | Fox News

I'll agree that it is poorly written, and never should have been written...BUT, how do you write a law protecting business owners from refusing service based on religious beliefs? Those that wrote the law were trying too hard to be PC about things.

If it were written like this, there would be NO confusion..."If you are a member of the LBGT community, and want a service that the business owner refuses based on your sexual beliefs and the business owners religious beliefs, you cannot and will not sue in a court of law just to make a social stand." In other words, make your own damned cake, or find another business that is willing to meet your needs.

My words single out an entire community, making it much less PC than the way it was really written.
Now that is comical as all get out. So if you are black go find another bus seat or soda stand??? And this gem " protecting business owners from refusing service based on religious beliefs"
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You still have not explained what special treatment is being sought.
Forced acceptance instead of tolerance. You can't force me to be friends with you if I don't like you...no matter what your laws state.
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Every gay civil servant in Kansas should join a church which prohibits interaction with straight married couples and then immediately begin denying straight married couples service when they show up at the government agency.
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Forcing a church to violate doctrine is a gross violation of the US constitution.

Please supply SCOTUS rulings that force churches to accept gay parishioners or clergy.

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Where does the constitution protect this so called church doctrine?

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