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Old 02-19-2014, 12:21 PM
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Michael Dunn Verdict: I don't get it.

May be I am looking at this wrong and do not understand the way the law is written but how does someone get convicted of 3 counts of attempted murder and not on murder when the forth person is dead because he was shot to death by the guy who was convicted on attempted murder.

Seems to me that if you are convicted on three counts of attempted murder you would automatically convicted of murder because you succeeded in killing one of the people.

Can one of you lawyer types explain this to me in small layman type words?

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Old 02-19-2014, 12:26 PM
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Murder charge was 1st degree (requires intent - tough to prove).

Question left unanswered so far is whether or not the DA is going to make another run at the guy.
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Old 02-19-2014, 12:44 PM
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The attempted murder charges were with respect to the passengers in the truck he was shooting at it, as it was driving away from him. Clearly, he was no longer in fear of serious harm as the truck was driving away, therefore he had no basis for using deadly force.

The murder charge was for the one person he did kill, who he claims caused him fear (had a shotgun?) and was out of the truck.
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The attempted murder charges were with respect to the passengers in the truck he was shooting at it, as it was driving away from him. Clearly, he was no longer in fear of serious harm as the truck was driving away, therefore he had no basis for using deadly force.

The murder charge was for the one person he did kill, who he claims caused him fear (had a shotgun?) and was out of the truck.
MD claimed the dead youth threatened to kill him and pointed what he thought was a gun barrel at him. He shot thru a closed door while the teen made motions to get out of the SUV and shoot him. MD shot first as he was in fear of the teen- before he got out ... is his explanation. His last shots were when he was driving away- not the SUV with youths in it, iirc.
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Plea bargain?
No plea deal. Convicted on 3 counts of attempted murder, hung jury on the murder charge.
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Murder charge was 1st degree (requires intent - tough to prove).

Question left unanswered so far is whether or not the DA is going to make another run at the guy.
According to what I read the jury could have convicted on lesser charges such as murder 2 or manslaughter.
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No plea deal. Convicted on 3 counts of attempted murder, hung jury on the murder charge.
That does seem odd seeing as it had gone to the jury. I wonder why as well.
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Old 02-19-2014, 01:08 PM
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MD claimed the dead youth threatened to kill him and pointed what he thought was a gun barrel at him. He shot thru a closed door while the teen made motions to get out of the SUV and shoot him. MD shot first as he was in fear of the teen- before he got out ... is his explanation. His last shots were when he was driving away- not the SUV with youths in it, iirc.
As I read the case Michael Dunn was shooting at the SUV from out side his vehicle as the SUV was driving away.

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Jurors agreed that Mr. Dunn was trying to kill the teenagers — not to defend himself — when he got out of his car, crouched and shot several more bullets into the truck as it drove away.
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Beats me. any other state obnoxious kids playing loud music would not have equalled a license to kill them. Florida is different evidently

The article I read stated he walked up, told them to turn it down, they did, then turned it back up despite him, and the next thing you know, he's shooting. Then he leaves, orders a pizza at home, and doesn't bring it up until the police are knocking on his door.

Doesn't sound like a guy in fear to me.
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Old 02-19-2014, 01:46 PM
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No plea deal. Convicted on 3 counts of attempted murder, hung jury on the murder charge.
Didn't I hear each count carried a max of 23 years or so? He ain't likely to be free again if that's so. Why bother trying him again?
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Didn't I hear each count carried a max of 23 years or so? He ain't likely to be free again if that's so. Why bother trying him again?
Justice on a homicide/murder.
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Justice on a homicide/murder.
Go Civil then?

I remember hearing a lawyer during the OJ criminal trial say when he saw the folks cheering the White Bronco, he knew there was no way he would be convicted. Justice on a homicide/murder.Indeed.
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Old 02-19-2014, 02:18 PM
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Didn't I hear each count carried a max of 23 years or so? He ain't likely to be free again if that's so. Why bother trying him again?
I imagine it has to do with precedent. I'm sure the prosecution does not want to set a precedent that shooting a person for loud music is OK.
Kid was in the car. He was unarmed. He was murdered in cold blood as far as I am concerned. Given what I know about the case I'd have convicted.
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Old 02-19-2014, 02:47 PM
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We live in a country that believes in innocent until PROVEN guilty. That Verdict comes when a jury of the accused peers can unanimously agree. If the Prosecutor reaches too far ( murder 1 instead of murder 2), or is there is any doubt, he walks.
Where are all those people who would rather a criminal go free than convict an innocent person? Now, some of you want to replace that system with your own perspective.

I don't get it. We are either a nation of LAW, or we are a nation of something else.

Make your choice and stick with it.

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