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Old 02-25-2014, 07:16 PM
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Full Exit From Afghanistan in 2014?

Obama to Karzai, No Post-2014 Presence Without Signed Security Agreement

Obama has directed the Pentagon to proceed with contingency planning to ensure, as a Defense Department statement said, that plans are in place to accomplish an orderly withdrawal by the end of the year.

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Yeah, telegraph your plans to the enemy. Obama and Hagel are military geniuses.

It's what you get with a community organizer for president and a Spec 4 for a lap dog secretary of defense.
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Old 02-25-2014, 07:32 PM
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Yeah, telegraph your plans to the enemy. Obama and Hagel are military geniuses.

It's what you get with a community organizer for president and a Spec 4 for a lap dog secretary of defense.
If the goal is to pressure Karzai to execute the security agreement, tell us all how President Bible and his lap-dog secretary of defense would handle this issue.

While you're at it, tell us all who you would choose for your Presidential cabinet.
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Yeah, telegraph your plans to the enemy. Obama and Hagel are military geniuses.

It's what you get with a community organizer for president and a Spec 4 for a lap dog secretary of defense.
So up to now the US desire to depart the Afhgan theatre was a military secret?
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So up to now the US desire to depart the Afhgan theatre was a military secret?
It should have been. Telling the time of departure is military idiocy.
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Old 02-25-2014, 07:45 PM
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Should've left after the CIA and SF deposed the Taliban. If they f**ked-up again, go back in and clean it up again. Repeat.
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Should've left after the CIA and SF deposed the Taliban. If they f**ked-up again, go back in and clean it up again. Repeat.
I could have gone along with that. Beats the wimpy and stupid act of handing over the play book, which has been going on since the focus was moved from Iraq to Afghanistan.
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Old 02-25-2014, 10:12 PM
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Yeah, telegraph your plans to the enemy. Obama and Hagel are military geniuses.

It's what you get with a community organizer for president and a Spec 4 for a lap dog secretary of defense.
What difference does it really make? When you are gone you are gone and they will see that you are gone.
After 13 years I question if the war made any really long term difference....except for Halliburton and other military contractors.
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Old 02-25-2014, 10:30 PM
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I could have gone along with that. Beats the wimpy and stupid act of handing over the play book, which has been going on since the focus was moved from Iraq to Afghanistan.
Mine is the wisdom of hindsight.

Early on I thought NATO could do the nation-building thing -- the best possible outcome. I was wrong.

In either case the Taliban had to be punished for their complicity in 9/11. Like Al Qeada, some folks just need killing.
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A lot of people are dead and maimed. That is permanent. perhaps if we had put money into building the country up after we funded them beating the Russians we could have avoided all this.

See Charlie Wilson's war.
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Old 02-25-2014, 11:45 PM
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A lot of people are dead and maimed. That is permanent. perhaps if we had put money into building the country up after we funded them beating the Russians we could have avoided all this.

See Charlie Wilson's war.
That's what we tried in the 2000's, thinking we could do better than we did in the '80's (Charlie Wilson's War).

The lesson learned is that the people must be so defeated that they totally abandon all hope of survival (Japan, Germany) to embrace any option other than a continuance of misery and ultimate annihilation. If given hope for an alternative other than the path selected by the victor, a large proportion will embrace it, no matter what it is.
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Time to leave.

Bot is correct as well, you can't do nation building without first the utter destruction of the old nation, with a stone aged society that's fairly challenging.
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We may leave in 2014. We will be back in 17 or 18.

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Doubt it. Look at history, no one wants to go back to Afghanistan, besides the British and maybe some old hippie that did the Afghanistan thing in the seventies.
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Mine is the wisdom of hindsight.

Early on I thought NATO could do the nation-building thing -- the best possible outcome. I was wrong.

In either case the Taliban had to be punished for their complicity in 9/11. Like Al Qeada, some folks just need killing.
Yes, we killed lots of Al Qaeda and Taliban. Once Bin Laden was dead, we should have hauled ass, but not telegraph exactly how and when like these idiots are doing.

Your comments reminded of a John Wayne line, "I never killed anyone who didn't need killin'."

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