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Old 07-06-2014, 09:32 PM
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Our world is being overtaken by these prissy ****s like the one with the poisoned pen of ignorance who wrote that article. Guess what... There are no CAFE mileage or emissions requirements for military vehicles that continue to get single digit mpgs. There are no emissions laws regarding the countless tens of thousands of aircraft out there. Tell me again how these truck owners using a resource they paid for legally is wrong? This is the same government that says over 2000 nuclear tests done is fine and dandy safe and legal but "marijuana" or Cannabis is "dangerous" with "no currently accepted medical value." Must be why over twenty states have medical cannabis laws on the books.

Anyone who further advocates draconian control in our lives is a person with a feeble mind who should immediately be distrusted.

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Old 07-06-2014, 09:45 PM
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Our world is being overtaken by these prissy ****s like the one with the poisoned pen of ignorance who wrote that article. Guess what... There are no CAFE mileage or emissions requirements for military vehicles that continue to get single digit mpgs. There are no emissions laws regarding the countless tens of thousands of aircraft out there. Tell me again how these truck owners using a resource they paid for legally is wrong? This is the same government that says over 2000 nuclear tests done is fine and dandy safe and legal but "marijuana" or Cannabis is "dangerous" with "no currently accepted medical value." Must be why over twenty states have medical cannabis laws on the books.

Anyone who further advocates draconian control in our lives is a person with a feeble mind who should immediately be distrusted.
I imagine modifying trucks with the sole intention of creating thick, visible pollution is the best way to get rid of those draconian controls too.
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Old 07-06-2014, 10:41 PM
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Sadly, yes. If we were smart, we'd build nuclear power plants on suitable existing coal plant sites and then demolish the coal plants.

Note that both Fukushima and Chernobyl were massive engineering failures, not intrinsically bad technology.
Pretty sure Chernobyl had a fair share of operator error, but then you can blame engineering for not taking operators out of the loop
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Old 07-06-2014, 10:43 PM
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Our world is being overtaken by these prissy ****s like the one with the poisoned pen of ignorance who wrote that article. Guess what... There are no CAFE mileage or emissions requirements for military vehicles that continue to get single digit mpgs. There are no emissions laws regarding the countless tens of thousands of aircraft out there. Tell me again how these truck owners using a resource they paid for legally is wrong? This is the same government that says over 2000 nuclear tests done is fine and dandy safe and legal but "marijuana" or Cannabis is "dangerous" with "no currently accepted medical value." Must be why over twenty states have medical cannabis laws on the books.

Anyone who further advocates draconian control in our lives is a person with a feeble mind who should immediately be distrusted.
"Tell me again how these truck owners using a resource they paid for legally is wrong?" Because they can't afford to own the right to pollute like the the big boys

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Old 07-07-2014, 12:10 AM
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Our world is being overtaken by these prissy ****s ... Anyone who further advocates draconian control in our lives is a person with a feeble mind who should immediately be distrusted.
Damn right. Anyone who doesn't like cancer producing diesel particulate pollution can go live out of the city; it's a free country. This pollution only effects people stupid enough to live in cities. No big loss.
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Old 07-07-2014, 12:19 AM
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It's a little funny to imagine people thinking that cars and trucks are so american. The american dream was about staying home on the family farm and raising a family. The car killed the american dream.
That dream might be dead but so what? Is there only one dream? Maybe the dream has changed? I know my dreams have changed from when I was a kid to when I was a teenager and so on. What of it?
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Old 07-07-2014, 12:22 AM
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I imagine modifying trucks with the sole intention of creating thick, visible pollution is the best way to get rid of those draconian controls too.
There could be say 15 different settings, each to accomplish a different purpose. For all we know, they had a setting they can use to roll coal and to cruise and to tow, etc, etc.
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Old 07-07-2014, 02:24 AM
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Our world is being overtaken by these prissy ****s like the one with the poisoned pen of ignorance who wrote that article. Guess what... There are no CAFE mileage or emissions requirements for military vehicles that continue to get single digit mpgs. There are no emissions laws regarding the countless tens of thousands of aircraft out there. Tell me again how these truck owners using a resource they paid for legally is wrong? This is the same government that says over 2000 nuclear tests done is fine and dandy safe and legal but "marijuana" or Cannabis is "dangerous" with "no currently accepted medical value." Must be why over twenty states have medical cannabis laws on the books.

Anyone who further advocates draconian control in our lives is a person with a feeble mind who should immediately be distrusted.
Thanks for proving that moat of the people that drive diesel pickup trucks actually have an IQ higher than a floor lamp;

The idiots out there that drive them and do stupid and crazy stuff in them seem to be HIGHLY visible and impossible to ignore and dangerous to themselves,their passengers (or dogs) and others on or off the roads.
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Old 07-07-2014, 07:31 AM
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There could be say 15 different settings, each to accomplish a different purpose. For all we know, they had a setting they can use to roll coal and to cruise and to tow, etc, etc.

Not really the point I was making but uh...ok.


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Old 07-07-2014, 07:45 AM
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Great post twitch, My father bought into the "TV dream" and bought a new Cadillac every 2 years. I wish he had bought a farm every few years.


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Smoke bombs, big deal. Long way around the barn to get to stupid.

It's a little funny to imagine people thinking that cars and trucks are so american. The american dream was about staying home on the family farm and raising a family. The car killed the american dream.

When people wake up and understand that commercials on TV are training films and watching them makes you a dupe... ain't happenin'.
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Old 07-07-2014, 07:48 AM
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Full disclosure: While I don't currently own one, I like lifted trucks. I like lowered trucks. I like stock height trucks.

I love diesels. I love performance diesels (I definitely don't own one of those! ). That said, these folks aren't doing anything to help the oilburner cause.

It's not the Prius drivers the coal rollers are getting to, they already think diesels are smelly and dirty and the bane of our existence. It's the couple in the Camry with a couple kids, two cars behind the Prius, just going about their daily lives and don't care one way or the other but have heard that diesels are more efficient and are probably a good thing. Until they see the dude in the turbodiesel p'up blowing soot out the tailpipe or stack pulling away from the stop light, sign or passing.

You can make some serious power without smoke. Smoke just brings negative attention from people who would otherwise not care and gives politicians who view diesels negatively the cover to write even more restrictive emissions laws, resulting in the very thing these folks purport to oppose. Viscous cycle or self-fulfilling prophecy?

Save the coal rolling for the drag strip and sled pulling.
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Old 07-07-2014, 07:55 AM
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Full disclosure: While I don't currently own one, I like lifted trucks. I like lowered trucks. I like stock height trucks.

I love diesels. I love performance diesels (I definitely don't own one of those! ). That said, these folks aren't doing anything to help the oilburner cause.

It's not the Prius drivers the coal rollers are getting to, they already think diesels are smelly and dirty and the bane of our existence. It's the couple in the Camry with a couple kids, two cars behind the Prius, just going about their daily lives and don't care one way or the other but have heard that diesels are more efficient and are probably a good thing. Until they see the dude in the turbodiesel p'up blowing soot out the tailpipe or stack pulling away from the stop light, sign or passing.

You can make some serious power without smoke. Smoke just brings negative attention from people who would otherwise not care and gives politicians who view diesels negatively the cover to write even more restrictive emissions laws, resulting in the very thing these folks purport to oppose. Viscous cycle or self-fulfilling prophecy?

Save the coal rolling for the drag strip and sled pulling.

Exactly! Very well said swamp. I'm not the biggest fan of bro trucks when I'm behind one and realize should one get in an accident, the bumper is going through the windshield of other cars, thus circumventing any safety advances in the last 30 years aside from passenger compartment strength.


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Old 07-07-2014, 10:17 AM
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There are no emissions laws regarding the countless tens of thousands of aircraft out there
Really? Who told you that?
http://www.faa.gov/regulations_policies/policy_guidance/envir_policy/media/aeprimer.pdf

http://www.epa.gov/otaq/regs/nonroad/aviation/420f12027.pdf

Control of Air Pollution From Aircraft and Aircraft Engines; Final Emission Standards and Test Procedures (PDF)

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Damn right. Anyone who doesn't like cancer producing diesel particulate pollution can go live out of the city; it's a free country. This pollution only effects people stupid enough to live in cities. No big loss.
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Old 07-07-2014, 01:00 PM
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I'm not the biggest fan of bro trucks when I'm behind one and realize should one get in an accident, the bumper is going through the windshield of other cars, thus circumventing any safety advances in the last 30 years aside from passenger compartment strength.
I can absolutely understand that. While my Sub or bike sees daily duty, the majority of my miles are racked up in the Odyssey with the kids so I see plenty of them. When I get around to one, I'll be sure to keep my brodozer on the low end!
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Old 07-07-2014, 01:08 PM
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Pretty sure Chernobyl had a fair share of operator error, but then you can blame engineering for not taking operators out of the loop
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(1) The control rods were mis-designed so as to increase power when inserted before decreasing power. The rod drives were also slow, so they took much longer than Western reactors to insert.
(2) Large positive void coefficient -- higher temps led to a faster reaction up to runaway.
(3) Graphite + high temps + water means that if the steam contacted hot graphite, you'd get H2O + C = CO + H2. Both flammable gases and that's what caused the initial explosion that destroyed the reactor containment.
(4) Weak containment.

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