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Old 07-24-2014, 12:03 AM
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Arizona execution lasts nearly two hours, witness says Joseph Wood was ‘gasping and struggling to breathe’ - The Washington Post Another botched execution.
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I listened to a report from one of the witnesses on the radio this morning. He went on about it at length. Then another witness, a relative of the victims commented basicall "so what? Give the sonbithc a bullet and stop wringing your hands over the bastard".

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Old 07-24-2014, 10:51 AM
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I listened to a report from one of the witnesses on the radio this morning. He went on about it at length. Then another witness, a relative of the victims commented basicall "so what? Give the sonbithc a bullet and stop wringing your hands over the bastard".

- Peter.
As a "civilized" human being, I know I'm supposed to be horrified. I have a tough time disagreeing with the relative of the victim.
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I can't fault the victim's views. I would likely feel the same if it were me. But that's why the US has a Constitution: So I don't get to make up the laws as I see fit.

A lot of people think that if the law is not obeyed it is a good thing depending on the situation until they find themselves in a situation that calls for the law to be applied. They they start yelling about how the Constitution protects them and whatever. Before we threw out old King George and his henchmen it was not unusual for the guilty to be torn apart by wild horses. Disembowelment was also a crowd pleaser. With our Constitution we moved past all of that.

So did this guy suffer or what? I don't know, but if someone cares one way or the other is beside the point. Was his execution legal? Was it cruel or unusual?

That's the only question.
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Old 07-24-2014, 11:15 AM
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I can't fault the victim's views. I would likely feel the same if it were me. But that's why the US has a Constitution: So I don't get to make up the laws as I see fit.

A lot of people think that if the law is not obeyed it is a good thing depending on the situation until they find themselves in a situation that calls for the law to be applied. They they start yelling about how the Constitution protects them and whatever. Before we threw out old King George and his henchmen it was not unusual for the guilty to be torn apart by wild horses. Disembowelment was also a crowd pleaser. With our Constitution we moved past all of that.

So did this guy suffer or what? I don't know, but if someone cares one way or the other is beside the point. Was his execution legal? Was it cruel or unusual?

That's the only question.
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WHY in these cases are the interests of the CONVICTED CRIMINAL more important than the concern for the victims and their families? For those who think so, they are sick and disturbed individuals.
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WHY in these cases are the interests of the CONVICTED CRIMINAL more important than the concern for the victims and their families? For those who think so, they are sick and disturbed individuals.
What makes you think I care one way or the other about this guy?

I was discussing the US Constitution.

Are those who have no regard for the Constitution sick and disturbed individuals?

The world looks to the US to be the leader in everything. If the rule of law starts breaking down here to the point that the Constitution is, as Dick Cheney once said, just a piece of paper will the US still be that shining beacon on the hill that Reagan spoke of?

The guy in this case has only what rights as the law allows. He gave up the rest of them when he walked through those prison gates where he was sent after a court of law said that was his fate, and that fate was dependent on actions he decided to take.

So the right he did have, as laid down by our Constitution.... Was it upheld? And if a state makes the decision to not follow the Constitution should the rest of the country give them a pass on it?
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Should we gather that the families would not want the accused to have a Constitutionally guaranteed fair and speedy trial? Perhaps yes, or no. That's why we don't leave those decisions to families, clans and kin, townsfolk with torches and pitchforks . . .
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What makes you think I care one way or the other about this guy?

I was discussing the US Constitution.

Are those who have no regard for the Constitution sick and disturbed individuals?

The world looks to the US to be the leader in everything. If the rule of law starts breaking down here to the point that the Constitution is, as Dick Cheney once said, just a piece of paper will the US still be that shining beacon on the hill that Reagan spoke of?

The guy in this case has only what rights as the law allows. He gave up the rest of them when he walked through those prison gates where he was sent after a court of law said that was his fate, and that fate was dependent on actions he decided to take.

So the right he did have, as laid down by our Constitution.... Was it upheld? And if a state makes the decision to not follow the Constitution should the rest of the country give them a pass on it?
And what makes YOU think that i was responding to your post and not making a general statement about the situation ? Getting a bit of an attitude of self importance or something?
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Should we gather that the families would not want the accused to have a Constitutionally guaranteed fair and speedy trial? Perhaps yes, or no. That's why we don't leave those decisions to families, clans and kin, townsfolk with torches and pitchforks . . .
Well that's congruent with the way that the families are usually viewed in such cases. It seems that most people have the same lack of regard and respect for the families and victims that you seem to have. Once the crime is done its all about the perp with a screw the family and victims attitude. You are just going true to form.

Got news for you, once he is convicted in a court of law he has been proven to be a POS that deserves punishment. Hang him, electrocute him, gas him but get rid of him. The sooner the better. Worrying about a "humane execution" is stupid. He's a convicted murderer and should be dealt with as a convicted murderer. Did he take time to "humanely" murder his victim?
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Old 07-24-2014, 01:34 PM
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Well that's congruent with the way that the families are usually viewed in such cases. It seems that most people have the same lack of regard and respect for the families and victims that you seem to have. Once the crime is done its all about the perp with a screw the family and victims attitude. You are just going true to form.

Got news for you, once he is convicted in a court of law he has been proven to be a POS that deserves punishment. Hang him, electrocute him, gas him but get rid of him. The sooner the better. Worrying about a "humane execution" is stupid. He's a convicted murderer and should be dealt with as a convicted murderer.
Where do you draw the cruel and unusual line?
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Where do you draw the cruel and unusual line?
Well i think that cutting off his tally whacker and leaving him to bleed to death would be going over the line. That said, if that was how he murdered
his victim then it would be appropriate for him.

Any of the three methods I listed are totally appropriate for a typical execution.
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Where do you draw the cruel and unusual line?
The US Constitution is merely ink stains on a piece of parchment to some, except the stains that, you know, protect their rights to own guns . . .
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The US Constitution is merely ink stains on a piece of parchment to some, except the stains that, you know, protect their rights to own guns . . .
Very interesting and unfounded rhetoric. Considering the source it is to be expected though.

With you being such a constitutional authority, maybe you would like to point out the part about lethal injection.
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Well i think that cutting off his tally whacker and leaving him to bleed to death would be going over the line. That said, if that was how he murdered
his victim then it would be appropriate for him.

Any of the three methods I listed are totally appropriate for a typical execution.
Eye for an eye, where have I heard that before?
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