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Old 08-06-2014, 01:49 PM
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AZ Is Kicking New Hybrids Out of Car Pool Lane

Electric cars now have the golden ticket

This is a big departure for the program, which until a few months ago, allowed only Priuses, Honda Civic hybrids and Honda Insights to apply. Other efficient cars, including the Chevy Volt, had to stay in regular lanes with gas guzzlers.

Now, Volts are in, as are Ford Fusion Energis, Porsche Panameras and a handful of other plug-in vehicles. Non-plug-in Priuses are out.
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Old 08-06-2014, 02:14 PM
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electric would not work for me I live in the country.
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Old 08-06-2014, 02:45 PM
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As none of those cars listed are fully electric, you can go ahead and put your deposit back down on that panamera hybrid.
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Old 08-06-2014, 07:43 PM
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They're not paying their fair share of the fuel taxes/highway maintenance.
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22 city / 30 highway 2014 Porsche Panamera e-Hybrid, MPG. Does a Panamera e-Hybrid deserve that kind of privilege?
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Honestly, carpool lanes should be for CARPOOLS and motorcycles. Kick all of the hybrids and e-cars out unless they have > 2 pax. It's not about MPG per person. It's about sq ft per person and helping traffic move.
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You are right about carpools, but cities need to reduce smog and not just because the EPA tells them to. Clean cities are just more attractive than dirty ones.

So the hybrid in the HOV lane was one solution, but is it the right one? It is nice to see a city do what it can, but HOV's are about moving traffic and not cutting back on smog.

Or maybe they are. If a car is carrying three people is that two cars, and their smog, that are off the road?

Sort of a balancing act.
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Hybrids are much more about CO2 than smog.
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Some years ago I read about a guy who regularly cruised the HOV lanes with a mannequin sitting in the passenger seat. He cruised through toll booths, HOV check points etc. unabated.
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Old 08-06-2014, 10:55 PM
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22 city / 30 highway 2014 Porsche Panamera e-Hybrid, MPG. Does a Panamera e-Hybrid deserve that kind of privilege?
Yes because rich guys, you know....
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Thought: Carpool lanes should be for carpools. Legalize lane splitting, as California has, and then every lane is better than a carpool lane provided you're commuting on a bike.
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Old 08-07-2014, 08:59 AM
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Honestly, carpool lanes should be for CARPOOLS and motorcycles. Kick all of the hybrids and e-cars out unless they have > 2 pax. It's not about MPG per person. It's about sq ft per person and helping traffic move.
Honestly the Interstate Highway System should be for interstate traffic and not used for a rush hour parking lot for commuting consumers of cheap made in china crap. As well the Federal Highways should not be used for parking lots for corporate junk food dumps and shopping centers and school zones. It's all a sham. Enjoy your dose of exhaust fumes, junk food and road rage this morning.
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If you want to cut smog then the carpool lanes need to be for the most efficient vehicles by people moved regardless of how they are powered. If you put more people in a car then there less cars are on the road so there is less smog... so one person in a 45MPG car < two people in a 30mpg car. The two people should be in the carpool lane more than the one person in the higher mileage car. Three people in a 25 MPG car deserve to be there even more, and four people should be there no matter what car they drive. Quit thinking that they type of power should be the reason for what car is allowed in the left lane.
Frankly I think the left lane should be for passing- not hybrids. Not allowing the left lane for higher speed traffic causes accidents- and more smog is a result.
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Arizona needs a law banning dirty freedom hatin liberals from the carpool lane.
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Honestly the Interstate Highway System should be for interstate traffic and not used for a rush hour parking lot for commuting consumers of cheap made in china crap. As well the Federal Highways should not be used for parking lots for corporate junk food dumps and shopping centers and school zones. It's all a sham. Enjoy your dose of exhaust fumes, junk food and road rage this morning.
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