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Equating the number of search "hits" with "weight of authority" isn't the same, but Galt knows that.

The first selected link . . . where's the data? I did read all about some alarmist lawmaker writing letters . . . but where's the data?

The second link references an outbreak in Colorado . . . but there's no mention of exposure from illegal immigrant children playing any part of the epidemiology of that outbreak. Then there's a reference to increased illnesses in the detention camps set up for the children . . . which is normal when the article mentions that sanitation in the camps is problematic given the number of detainees and the varying levels of familiarity with "new world" sanitation. Short answer . . . Homeland Security screwed up by creating unsanitary conditions.

Nobody is saying that all the Latin American countries are disease-free, but they are not cesspools of infectious diseases either.

What else do you have, Mr. Galt?

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Whatever, I don't live where you do; you will have to live with the consequences of your inept "leader's" actions.
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Old 10-02-2014, 12:27 AM
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Whatever, I don't live where you do; you will have to live with the consequences of your inept "leader's" actions.
The Canadian way of saying "I don't have an cogent response . . .?"
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The Canadian way of saying "I don't have an cogent response . . .?"
Yeah, sure, whatever it takes for you to feel good about it.
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Nobody is saying that all the Latin American countries are disease-free, but they are not cesspools of infectious diseases either.
The point is that your president cancelled established protocols for thorough medical screening and quarantine for all immigrants who would become residents.

Instead he tried to hide them by disbursing them to communities all across the USofA. The initial screening that did happen showed an abnormal amount of contagious diseases in this illegal immigrant population. That fact was willfully ignored by the people charged with public health. Your people dropped the ball and the blame and responsibility goes right to the top.

This is not the first time he's screwed up immigration policies and endangered all of North America with his ineptitude.
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This is essentially an American site. We Canadians are guests. It is in extremely bad taste to offend them. Both our countries share the same land mass.

One has to expect some differences but bad manners should not be one of them. We also have a lot in common at the same time.

I as a Canadian may be a better target for a Canadian. If you comment on our prime minister to me. I will see it much different than an American does. I hope this makes sense.

Both sides of the border have their issues. For example I try not to comment on their politics as they see them as highly personal. Or far more than we do.

I really try not to slip up in this area. I do put my foot into it sometimes though in other ways. My views on our health care system is an example that comes to mind.

The American site members are not aggressive by nature nor should we be. You are not an American but politically and perhaps socially brainwashed in the Canadian fashion.

I just am suggesting backing off when things start to heat up. Otherwise we get labeled. This has been a very social site unlike so many others.

I would not mind having a beer with any of the members. That has to be one of our steriotypes. We Canadians are always sitting around having a beer. Pointless to believe anyone with that belief would think otherwise.

We could even claim our beer is better than their beer but what would be the point of it.

All I really know and appreciate is that Americans have always treated our family well on travels there. Also the site members have been very tolerant of me as a Canadian. Some of my thoughts are also as well that they may be passing through a difficult period. More difficult than ours currently is.
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If our Prime Minister did something that endangered the health and security of our American neighbors, then they would have every reason to comment on his actions.

The specifics of their domestic affairs, insofar as they don't effect Canada, are not of that much interest, unless the effect my relatives and friends in America.

Their international affairs effect all of us in the world and are open to wide comment and criticism as appropriate.

I don't equate my American friends with the stupid and reckless things their government does anymore than they should equate me with the stupid and careless things the Canadian government does.
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We're still sore about the burning the White House thing . . .
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We're still sore about the burning the White House thing . . .
Us burning Washington at that time was premature. It is very strange today some Americans would consider it not that bad a thing to happen now if doing it themselves. We will not do it again. One time only was your full entitlement from us.

Actually few remember the war of 1812. That became a real mess when America tried to annex parts of Canada.

Strange as it seems there may have been no United states of America today had not the Napolionic wars been underway at that same time.

Canada was backed by the true superpower of the age and they were too busy at home. We probably did not like the heat and humidity when tearing up New Orleans either. Just departed as the beer was so bad... Another somewhat irrelevant reason is we lost a battle there. Being booted out of Baltimore probably did not turn our cranks either for the same reasons.

For history and other reasons it is just considered a two and a half year war with a neutral outcome today. .I do not mind that. We probably drank more beer then as well.

This is why most Canadians are more familiar with the states today. Than Americans with us. We occupied the place in different regions for awhile. Looking back that war was terminated well with little remaining animosity. Land was returned and after it settled down relations returned to normal. We were probably just viewed as those lousy drunken invading Canadian British backed terrorists back then. I can imagine some of the wording being even worse. Even though Americans started it.

Although there was a residual long term form of whiplash as well. When leaving the east coast of Canada to travel to the eastern seaboard of the states. The road to the Canadian border on our side was great. Then there was little more than a narrow almost two lane paved trail of a road that no grading was done for. Approxamatly 100 miles long.

It was so bad that you just hoped when you topped a steep hill the road did not have a turn or someone else on it. This was in my twenties. Seriously the hood of the car blocked your view of where the top of the hill was ahead in places .

Because of all the twists and turns as well. State patrol troopers would have have had to go hungry if trying to give speeding tickets out on that highway. Somewhat similar to what a brain sucker would get landing on my head.

At least two hours to work your way over that 100 mile stretch as a young guy. At least Americans had the humour to eventually label it the airline route. Had it been left the same as the first time I used it with only repaving done when required. It would be a tourist attraction today.

Gradually but gradually they have improved this road by stages. Now at long last it is pretty decent. Still even when using my large truck to run down to Alabama in the eighties I would not use it. Probably added at least a hundred miles one way to my trip to avoid it. It seemed to me that it was a two lane road about twelve feet wide in total. With no amount of shoulders to even mention.

I used to think about that road when driving cars over it. We certainly where not going to roll military formations down it was certain. I also thought it may have been a way to restrict or limit trade between us by trucks on purpose. I heard the Canadian government even offered to cost share it's improvement at one time.

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On reflection it was not very bright to leave the people that had solid contact with the sick person living in contaminated space. If they had not been infected before being put into quarantine. They might have been infected in the next few days.

. I know the household apparently did not respect the original quarantine order. With overall mentalities like this you never know what to expect. Just today they finally are getting around to acting on the the apartment should be cleaned up. This is stupidity beyond belief.

It should have been at a minumin the same day the sick person went to hospital the second time. The ambulance drivers and attendants plus the people that handled the individual on admission are also out there working as well I imagine. Let us know if you get ill. If so it is very sad. I cannot believe that is actually happening. I keep telling myself that cannot be true.

The virus remains contagious in fluids for at least a few days off the body. You do not need body contact. This is the level of intelligence you must be witnessing with professionals. A sensible person on the street would know better I think.

Any medical personal that examined this individual hands on should also be under quarantine. For some reason we are told they apparently are not. Let us know if you become sick was not a real option as you are contagious then.

Think about it gentleman. The price that may be paid by some because nobody activated a reasonable quarantine period. Before boarding a plane in Africa.

The resultant costs financially seem to be building as well as the unrequired sickness in north America. People may die that should not even have gotten sick is a reality by the time this is over.

Somebody in a responsible position or many where and are negligent. I am not cynical enough to think it is at very high levels. Could you trust the same people to deal with a serious mutation of the virus? Already we are testing people in Canada that came in from international flights and are sick of something.

Maybe the media has something screwed up but the issues seem so fundamental. We Canadians are also allowing flights in with no quarantine period. It seems the disease getting loose to some extent is less of an issue than perhaps upsetting people a little.

Or hopefully they have quarantined the whole group and are reluctant to inform the public. Not because they fear a panic. You just have to keep telling and assuring them it cannot get loose .

It cannot get going in a big way I suspect. At the same time a couple of weeks from now may tell a slightly different story. Right at this time they are trying to make people think that the original sick person is the end of the line. I hope it is. One has to think about what the rhetoric may be if it turns out it is not? Plus is anyone accountable.

I have to wonder if too many overlapping juristicions are responsible. Harsh post I know. It is as if you have failed by engaging quarantine. As sure as I am sitting here if I had handled the individual I would stay alone for three weeks away from my family and away from anyone else period. The gestation period of the disease being two to twenty one days.

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For example if It where to mutate into a form of air born virus just as severe. What measures would be taken? Plus would they be enacted quick enough.
I read this part as, "What if I were to mutate..." .
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I was just reading a history of the recent outbreak. Patient one was a 2 yr old child. That seems odd since the consensus seems to be that the virus moves from other species to humans by consuming the meat of an infected animal. I wonder how the 2 yr contracted the virus since it seems unlikely the child consumed meat.
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I was just reading a history of the recent outbreak. Patient one was a 2 yr old child. That seems odd since the consensus seems to be that the virus moves from other species to humans by consuming the meat of an infected animal. I wonder how the 2 yr contracted the virus since it seems unlikely the child consumed meat.
2-year olds can eat meat, they have teeth and all that. (Just because they also drink milk doesn't mean they exclusively do so.)

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