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Old 09-16-2014, 10:48 PM
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Students rebel against dress code

We can start here but I get the feeling it will migrate to P&R. Not sure how but I just have a feeling....

https://www.yahoo.com/style/tottenville-high-school-dress-code-97658961343.html

I'm not a parent so I'm not sure how that would change my POV.

On the one hand I see kids (especially young women) wearing stuff that I (48 yrs old) find inappropriate. I do not consider my self old fashioned but it leave very very little to the imagination. On the other hand I am not sure I like the school determining what it appropriate to wear. Not sure how to make the determination of what is or and what is not appropriate to wear.

is this appropriate?



According to the Tottenville code definitely not. I tend to agree that this outfit does not belong in school. Guys in tank tops, probably not either.

I think it is kind of funny that they have 200 kids in detention. That would seem to indicate that the dress code is out of date.
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Old 09-16-2014, 11:00 PM
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Nothing wrong with it, but students should learn to carry themselves in a professional way.

That's a great outfit for the beach...school? No, mine had AC and would be at about 45 on a normal summer day!
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Apart from skinny jeans, sunglasses, and wallet chains (actually a GOOD thing if you don't want your wallet stolen!), it seems very much like the dress code in my high school 15 years ago. Not very onerous.
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Old 09-17-2014, 12:10 AM
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Lol in high school I broke dress code daily and got detention almost daily. Damn kids and their fashions! Ah to youth and rebelliousness


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I remember High School having dress codes and even I wasn't compliant by semi-accident. They were thinking of uniforms, which I wasn't fully for, but if push came to shove, rather have uniforms than see breasts and bottom cracks.

The main issue is that parents are no longer parents. They are too busy paying for their ticky tacky boxes and buying stuff to fill them.They hardly see there children, let alone discipline them. I am appalled by what I here parents and adults saying about the current methods, and even more by the children. I tell them they got it easy. I was raised by my Oma, and she had rules that dare not be crossed, or there was severe consequences (mostly labor and removing privileges). I was to be up in time to eat a breakfast of oatmeal, or wheat cereal if I was being treated. I was to dress proper, meaning no rips, wrinkles, or stains. I went to school and had a half hour to come home, meaning I left immediately and came strait home. If I didn't, Oma called the school then the volunteer Police, which was somewhat good one time (knew something had happened to me). When I came home I had a half hour to have a snack. After-which homework until dinner was ready. Homework until 8:30P.M. bedtime. On Friday, no change until all the homework was done. If I was done early, I had time off. I wasn't allowed in the refrigerator and ice was verboten. I was to eat and drink everything. Even questioning rules was grounds for punishment as was sassing. I didn't get it at the time and was too strict, but now that I am older, realize it was no where near strict and was relaxed. I would use this for my children, God forbid I have them, plus few other rules (girls wear ankle length dresses and no unblocked internet, for example). Once they were mature, might let them have socialization after school, which I only had in High School.

If children grew up like this, there be no need for dress codes. Further, there be less cases of Autism Spectrum Disorder. One reason it wasn't noticed in the past was the village raised the children. Today, parents are too scared to do this and too busy.
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Old 09-17-2014, 08:08 AM
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Lol, these kids today!

Rules like skirts or shorts that go no higher than your fingertips is a pretty liberal dress code. Thats still a lot of skin showing.
I went to a high school that had a uniform requirement. I loved it, i have no sense of fashion, own few clothes, and could generally give a shlt. A uniform meant all i had to do was buy some pants, some shirts, some ties, and a few blazers, and boom, any combination had me dressed for the year. No thought required.

The girls couldnt wear skirts past a certain height measured from their knees or detention. Girls being girls they were always rolling their skirts up around their waists like a blind to show a little more skin.

My opinion is that exposed skin does not necessarily equal provocative. A woman wearing a suit can be a heck of a lot sexier than a halter top and cutoffs depending on the cut and how she wears it. High school girls havent learned this yet for the most part. But then on the other hand high school boys equate skin with attention, so maybe the ladies have their target market pretty accurately pegged.

Another month and the dress code drama cycle will be irrelevant
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I think the law now is that if you want them to wear uniforms, the school will wind up paying for them.
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Old 09-17-2014, 09:30 AM
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We can start here but I get the feeling it will migrate to P&R. Not sure how but I just have a feeling....

https://www.yahoo.com/style/tottenville-high-school-dress-code-97658961343.html

I'm not a parent so I'm not sure how that would change my POV.

On the one hand I see kids (especially young women) wearing stuff that I (48 yrs old) find inappropriate. I do not consider my self old fashioned but it leave very very little to the imagination. On the other hand I am not sure I like the school determining what it appropriate to wear. Not sure how to make the determination of what is or and what is not appropriate to wear.

is this appropriate?



According to the Tottenville code definitely not. I tend to agree that this outfit does not belong in school. Guys in tank tops, probably not either.

I think it is kind of funny that they have 200 kids in detention. That would seem to indicate that the dress code is out of date.
When I was in high school back in the mid-Seventie's, it was perfectly normal to see a girl dressed in skin-tight jeans and a halter top. The outfit above probably would have been acceptable back then.
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Old 09-17-2014, 10:22 AM
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If the school dress code policy is "clear" as to what is acceptable or not acceptable, I really do not see the issue. One is either in compliance or not. If the code is not clear, then it needs to be re-vamped to make it clear. A "dress code" could be considered a reflection of that area and what a parent(s) finds acceptable.

So, exclude school from the analysis, and look at the way a child dresses outside of school. It tells a lot.
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I would use this for my children, God forbid I have them, plus few other rules (girls wear ankle length dresses and no unblocked internet, for example). Once they were mature, might let them have socialization after school, which I only had in High School.
No socialization after school? I grew up walking home from middle school. Kids often played a game of pick-up basketball after school. Bet your kids will be fat porkers if they went from school, to bus, to chair in their room with no time to play outside in between.

Ankle length dresses? So you're OK with boys wearing knee-length shorts, but girls need to cover up Taliban-style? Great.
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What is the purpose of school? Does dress affect that purpose?
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What is the purpose of school? Does dress affect that purpose?
If it's distracting, it may. Would going sitting in front of a classroom with a three-foot-tall clown hat, blocking everyone else's view of the teacher, be OK?
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No socialization after school? I grew up walking home from middle school. Kids often played a game of pick-up basketball after school. Bet your kids will be fat porkers if they went from school, to bus, to chair in their room with no time to play outside in between.

Ankle length dresses? So you're OK with boys wearing knee-length shorts, but girls need to cover up Taliban-style? Great.
I couldn't socialize because of my Autism, and wasn't too fat, nothing like my Brother. The highest I ever hit was 215, 36 inch waist, in High School. Took weight lifting and dropped to 180 pounds, 34 inch waist, with mass (I was oddly lower body and could easily leg press 640 pounds). With my health issue, I dropped all the way to 135 pounds, 32 inch waist. Now I am 140 but even less waist, probably a 30 inch. What I have learned is move more, eat less. Besides, children will always be a bit more on the plump side, but just have to watch it. Better to have something to fall back on as Oma keeps reminding me.

The only socialization I ever saw was on campus. We were so spread out there wasn't common walking paths. The bus there was plenty, and now I think back, that is where I could talk to those lonely girls, the ones willing to talk to me as we were both rejected. I still see their faces and still recall at least one name. Not vain and down to Earth, humble and loving. Makes miss them...

As for clothing, it has been part of a long thinking I have been doing. I see the corruption and vanity of the current society and only see Conservative Christianity as a solution. Even I am fallen and therefore part of my bias and desire to be more pleasing to the Almighty. We are called to be set apart, just like the Jews. However, the Jews aren't to shave their beards, wear certain fabrics, wear tassels, and on and on. Jesus broke the old covenant, but doesn't mean we can do anything we please: we are still to be pleasing to the Almighty. The first step is simply to believe Jesus is the only Son of G-d and died for all our sins; He is the only Way to the Father. As Christians we are to be modest and decent. I don't see anything above the knees as decent, especially girls of a young age. The longer the dress, the harder to look up it. How can wearing something shorter than your vulva be comfortable? I was amazed how oft the girls kept tugging on their short shorts! So being reasonable can mean being more comfortable! Further, if you are taught not to be vain and focused on the outside, the focus becomes on the inside. The "plain" girls really attracted me as man they were so confidant and beautiful, especially on the inside! There was personality and depth, a warm beating heart, unlike the vain shallow women, many suffering. One last point, how much rape happens where the society is modest, such as the Amish?

And it should be noted I will most likely never get married and even less likely to have children. If I have children, there is my better half that I will be working with to raise and guide the children. So my idealization may never be reality. I am fine with that, as the Almighty all gave us different strengths.

As for the snide remark, the Taliban are People too, who have hijacked the Islamic faith. There no sanctioned jehad (meaning Holy War), as there isn't a head imam to sanction it (to make it holy according to them). I have Muslim friends and are very upset about it, espcially the way America sees it all. It isn't the truth.

Most Muslim's that believe in being modest, many following the Qur'an. It isn't something to mock. I read a wonderful National Geographic by a lady who married a Arab and lives in Saudi. Her and her friends love wearing a covering, as gives them autonomy. So as in everything, it is a matter of perspective.

We shouldn't hate People that are different, but love them. When they hit us, turn the other cheek. Yes, it is hard and even I struggle. But love wins. If everyone loved, there be no war!
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Old 09-17-2014, 12:33 PM
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Tottenville HS? Back in my day, they were considered low-enders in more ways than one to us kids on the North Shore. Nothing much seems to have changed.

I saw a young girl walking down the street this summer wearing shorts shorter than those pictured. Viewed from behind? My goodness gracious. A good two inches of curvature showing!!
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As for clothing, it has been part of a long thinking I have been doing. I see the corruption and vanity of the current society and only see Conservative Christianity as a solution.
I don't.

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