Shall we agree to disagree. If you want to compare the entire history of the two makes, both with illustrious histories, I'll continue to put coin on the Mercedes-Benz wager when it comes to passenger vehicles reliability, safety and engineering.

Thanks for all the input, I got slammed with work and couldn't make any time yet to have a look at it. Hopefully I will have time off this weekend to hahave a look at it.

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1979 Black on Black, 300CD (sold), 1990 Black 300SE, Silver 1989 Volvo 780, 1988 300CE (vanished by the hands of a girlfriend), 1992 300CE (Rescue).

Comparing the two until the past couple of years I have always felt the equivalent Mercedes was a better designed and engineered car.

Post 2010 it doesn't matter anymore all new cars are more or less the same, common parts suppliers and all.

Jag used the 722.6 transmission for quite awhile so they must have felt Mercedes made pretty good gear boxes at the very least.

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1999 SL500
1969 280SE
2023 Ram 1500
2007 Tiara 3200

Not in all cases and especially around suspension, steering and brakes. The S1 XJ came out in 1968. It had full multi-link rear suspension, LSD, HUGE (like my 2002 E55) 4 piston brake calipers and rack and pinion.

W108's had a swing axle, tiny calipers and steering gear. It took MB well into the 90's before it put multi link suspension and rack and pinion into its S-Class.





Design and engineering was not the problem with Jaguars. It was the build process that created most of the issues that people griped out. Most of this was caused by poor forward planning that lead to industrial disputes and then nationalization in the 70's. By the 80's most of these issues were resolved.

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no doubt - when it comes to design, the jaguar shines - but as you said its the execution of the design and implementing it into the car where it goes TU (as the english say).

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2012 BMW X5 (Beef + Granite suspension model)

1995 E300D - The original humming machine (consumed by Flood 2017)
2000 E320 - The evolution (consumed by flood 2017)

Personally, I can't wait until Tata releases a Daimler branded Jaguar again.

Than how come growing up my grandmothers Jag's were always in the shop and failing apart, and her business partner had a fleet of Mercedes that were not?

How come all the Jag interior bits fell off and they had lots of electrical failures and the Mercedes did not?

From my experience with 70's, 80's, and 90's Jags they are not up to the same level as Mercedes and than later Lexus were.

I remember my grandfather cursing out the than new 1994 XJ6 because it burned oil from day one and the AC never worked, and Jag could not fix it, than the 98 that replaced it blew the motor two years in. The 94 also had a crap paint job that came off and chrome that peeled.

They were wonderful driving and looking cars but man did they rack up some out of warranty repair bills. I remember the final straw was the last year they had the 98 when it cost $10k to keep on the road.

Back in 1986 my grandmother and her business partner bought two new cars. A red 1986 XJ6 and a white 300SDL. The 300SDL is still on the road, today and at 250k+ has the original drive train, the 86 Jag made it until 1994.

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1999 SL500
1969 280SE
2023 Ram 1500
2007 Tiara 3200

How come they kept going back and buying more Jaguars?

I'm not sure about the rest but as far as interiors go, Jaguar uses the finest materials such as Connolly leather and lots of real wood. Sadly wood and leather is more fragile then plastic and nylon.

I have a 94 Jaguar and aside from the front seats and the soft top, the interior is near perfect. It has almost 200k miles.

Again, the argument being made in many of these posts are somewhat redundant. This includes bringing up new car customer satisfaction problems when referring to a 30 year old car as we can assume that if the car is still on the road today, those parts had probably been replaced. Or bringing up Tata ownership when referring to a 30 year old Jaguar.

If you're buying a 30 year old Mercedes, BMW, Jaguar or any other car, you should expect to buy based on condition and you should be prepared to work on it.

The car in question looked pretty nice in the pictures and description seems pretty honest and the price is quite good.

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Al