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Old 02-06-2015, 01:06 PM
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Warming up your car is a crime now

Jump in the Benz,Fire it up,and Start Driving immediately!!

Because it's illegal to warm up your car in my state. Maybe your state too.

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Old 02-06-2015, 01:26 PM
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What part is it exactly that isn't legal? Warming up a car, or leaving it running unattended? One of those I can see being easily defeated in court ie; the defroster on most vehicles is provided with warm air from the heater core, and as such, needs the engine to run for long enough to build sufficient heat in order to clear the windshield to allow for the safe operation of the vehicle. The other aspect, leaving the vehicle unattended, not so much. I'm thinking the basics here are going to be you need to be inside the vehicle, at the controls during the warm up period. If that's the case, I agree.

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Old 02-06-2015, 01:49 PM
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It doesn't take very long for thermal transfer from coolant to heater core . . . unless you have an early air cooled Porsche or VW. I tend to think that some folks still operate their cars the way their father or grandfathers taught them way back when.
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Old 02-06-2015, 02:21 PM
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I like the idea of the law. I could care less if the persons car gets stolen. They are the idiot for leaving their car running unattended. I have read countless articles that have said warming up the car is pretty useless. Drive it lightly and it will warm up much faster and not pollute the air while it is just sitting there. My 190 gets the water temp to 90C in about 2 miles of casual driving. It's 4 miles to the freeway and I am nice and toasty. In summer it warms up even quicker.

I hope the cops have a field day with it.
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Old 02-06-2015, 02:34 PM
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Here in DFW I frequently see people letting their cars warm unattended for 15 minutes on a 45F degree morning.
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Old 02-06-2015, 03:21 PM
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Taking it easy for the first couple of miles is better I've heard, it brings all the fluids, instead of just the motor oil and coolant to the right operating temp before you slam it.
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Old 02-06-2015, 04:15 PM
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What part is it exactly that isn't legal? Warming up a car, or leaving it running unattended? One of those I can see being easily defeated in court ie; the defroster on most vehicles is provided with warm air from the heater core, and as such, needs the engine to run for long enough to build sufficient heat in order to clear the windshield to allow for the safe operation of the vehicle. The other aspect, leaving the vehicle unattended, not so much. I'm thinking the basics here are going to be you need to be inside the vehicle, at the controls during the warm up period. If that's the case, I agree.

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From doing a little looking, it appears the illegal part is leaving the car running unattended with the key in the ignition.

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I like the idea of the law. I could care less if the persons car gets stolen. They are the idiot for leaving their car running unattended. I have read countless articles that have said warming up the car is pretty useless. Drive it lightly and it will warm up much faster and not pollute the air while it is just sitting there. My 190 gets the water temp to 90C in about 2 miles of casual driving. It's 4 miles to the freeway and I am nice and toasty. In summer it warms up even quicker.

I hope the cops have a field day with it.
I don't like the idea of the law. If I want to take a chance on having someone steal my car I should be able to.

Also, not everyone lives in Texas. In cold weather, simply breathing can rapidly fog a windshield. This is easily cured with the defrost function, but that only works after the coolant starts getting somewhat warm. A few minutes at idle helps with that.
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It's called 'puffing' around here. It's illegal. You can get a ticket for it. I do it frequently but I use a second set of keys and lock it while it's warming up. Not sure if it's illegal if the car is locked.

It is. I checked.
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Old 02-06-2015, 06:45 PM
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I do it frequently but I use a second set of keys and lock it while it's warming up. Not sure if it's illegal if the car is locked.
That's exactly what I was wondering as well. If the purpose of the law is to deter car thief... Then that has got it covered.

I'm still looking for the exact wording of the law in the SC code of laws. I ALWAYS warm up my benz for at least a few minuets before I roll out.
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I think this is it

SECTION 56-5-2570. Parking of unattended motor vehicle.

No person driving or in charge of a motor vehicle shall permit it to stand unattended without first stopping the engine, locking the ignition, removing the key and effectively setting the brake thereon and, when standing upon any grade, turning the front wheels to the curb or side of the highway.
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What if it doesn't have a parking brake (like a motorcycle)? What if it doesn't have a locking ignition (like most military vehicles)? What if it's a Model T?

Illegal in Nevada too. Who knew?

NRS 484B.530  Unattended motor vehicle: Stopping engine, locking ignition and removing key.  The person driving or in charge of any motor vehicle, except a commercial vehicle loading or unloading goods shall not permit it to stand unattended without first stopping the engine, locking the ignition and removing the key.

(Added to NRS by 1969, 1502)—(Substituted in revision for NRS 484.445)
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Old 02-06-2015, 07:43 PM
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I think the tin foil had crowd is going way overboard per the title of the link. Securing the car is hardly a violation of ones civil rights.
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The criminalizing of America!
So many laws at the federal, state & local level that nearly everyone is now guilty of some crime.
I have an '87 Isuzu pickup where the ignition lock is so worn that I can start it, remove the key and lock it while it warms up. Also, there are accessory devices that allow remote starting a locked vehicle without the key. I guess all that is now illegal too!

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Old 02-06-2015, 09:40 PM
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The criminalizing of America!
So many laws at the federal, state & local level that nearly everyone is now guilty of some crime.
Most of those laws are old, from the 40s, 50s, and 60s.
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What part is it exactly that isn't legal? Warming up a car, or leaving it running unattended? One of those I can see being easily defeated in court ie; the defroster on most vehicles is provided with warm air from the heater core, and as such, needs the engine to run for long enough to build sufficient heat in order to clear the windshield to allow for the safe operation of the vehicle. The other aspect, leaving the vehicle unattended, not so much. I'm thinking the basics here are going to be you need to be inside the vehicle, at the controls during the warm up period. If that's the case, I agree.

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From what have read in the papers, it is legal to warm up your car as long as you are in it. Leave it unattended and running and well.....

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