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MTI 09-18-2015 05:18 PM

VW and Audi Diesels Recall
 
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/19/business/volkswagen-is-ordered-to-recall-nearly-500000-vehicles-over-emissions-software.html?_r=0

The Environmental Protection Agency issued the German automaker a notice of violation and accused the company of using software known as a “defeat device” in 4-cylinder Volkswagen and Audi vehicles from model years 2009-15.

The device is programmed to detect when the car is undergoing official emissions testing. Only during such tests are the cars’ full emissions control systems turned on. During normal driving situations, the controls are turned off, allowing the cars to spew as much as 40 times as much pollution as the legal standard required under the Clean Air Act, the E.P.A. said.

Mölyapina 09-18-2015 07:14 PM

Wow.

Cutting corners or finding loopholes in rules or installing an easy-to-defeat emissions device isn't surprising to me, but outright cheating on the emissions test like that... whoa. I'm shocked that they did that.

I wonder how common that is. Is it just that VW got caught and there are others out there doing this, or is this an isolated incident?

tbomachines 09-18-2015 07:16 PM

Wonder how differently it runs when it is in for emissions?


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Idle 09-18-2015 07:26 PM

One great thing about living in OK is no testing of any kind. Not even an annual safety inspection.

Texas has some pretty rough inspection guidelines but the last time I checked diesels were exempt from any smog testing.

So you still see a lot of 123 diesels running around.

DeliveryValve 09-18-2015 08:23 PM

Some links about it taken from a tdiclub thread.

EPA press release: http://yosemite.epa.gov/opa/admpress.nsf/bd4379a92ceceeac8525735900400c27/dfc8e33b5ab162b985257ec40057813b!OpenDocument

EPA notice of violation: http://www3.epa.gov/otaq/cert/documents/vw-nov-caa-09-18-15.pdf

WVU study that uncovered the emissions scandal: http://www.theicct.org/use-emissions-testing-light-duty-diesel-vehicles-us

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DeliveryValve 09-18-2015 08:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tbomachines (Post 3520547)
Wonder how differently it runs when it is in for emissions?


Sent from an abacus

Most folks have been getting better than EPA listed fuel mileage with the common rail 2.0 diesels. I would imagine the recall reprogram will bring the mileage down to the EPA rating. Performance wise, I would think it would suffer slightly. Longterm wise, I bet components are stressed and more component failures would happen.

INSIDIOUS 09-18-2015 09:01 PM

And just why would anyone want to take theirs in for reprogramming? Resale bonus "not recall retrofitted' :D

davidmash 09-18-2015 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by INSIDIOUS (Post 3520568)
And just why would anyone want to take theirs in for reprogramming? Resale bonus "not recall retrofitted' :D

May not have a choice. If the EPA were smart they would require all VW's to be reprogrammed and provide proof upon inspection.

If VW did this I hope the EPA fines the stuffing out of VW.

Skippy 09-18-2015 10:51 PM

DeliveyValve, your links aren't working.

Skippy 09-18-2015 10:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by davidmash (Post 3520593)
May not have a choice. If the EPA were smart they would require all VW's to be reprogrammed and provide proof upon inspection.

Many places don't have any inspection. If I had a VW diesel I wouldn't want this "defect" "repaired". BTW, in my experience EPA, being a government agency, isn't very smart.

Quote:

If VW did this I hope the EPA fines the stuffing out of VW.
I'm sure they did and I'm sure they will.

sloride 09-19-2015 12:20 AM

Of course they go after a vehicle that gets greater than 35MPG. Then leave the grocery getter SUV that can't get 20MPG.

DeliveryValve 09-19-2015 01:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skippy (Post 3520594)
DeliveyValve, your links aren't working.

They should work now.

compu_85 09-19-2015 08:51 AM

Hundreds of people looking at the thread discussing this on TDIClub brought the server down yesterday :eek: Official: Volkswagen's Clean Air Act violations on 2009+ TDIs triggers massive recall - TDIClub Forums

This is a *HUGE* deal for VW. I'm amazed they would try to pull a stunt like this. CAT, Detroit Diesel, and several other large OTR truck makers tried it in the mid 90s and got busted too.

-J

Mölyapina 09-19-2015 09:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by davidmash (Post 3520593)
May not have a choice. If the EPA were smart they would require all VW's to be reprogrammed and provide proof upon inspection.

I don't know that the EPA has the power to do this... inspections are under the guise of individual states. I could see that you could get fined for driving an unrepaired car -- just like you would for driving a car with disabled EGR etc. But how is a cop going to determine that on the roadside?

davidmash 09-19-2015 09:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeliveryValve (Post 3520616)
They should work now.

If there is no inspection it could be tied to registration then.


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