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Old 11-02-2015, 08:20 PM
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China unveils a real marketable passenger jet.

This is a little scary. Especially if it will be priced much lower than Boeing and Airbus for almost identical products. It could represent a real problem for them over time. They have 521 orders before it has even flown?

Apparently it has conventional sourced engines and avionics. China insists on their technology sharing by any supplier so you know where that is going.

A few years ago I tried some Chinese epoxy. It was so good in comparison to what I had used before. I asked the supplier where he was sourcing it from.

He told me it came from Chinas new airspace industry. I ordered several times and figured it was cheap and an exceptional product. Then China stopped it being exported or available to suppliers like I was using. I still have a little left I have saved for those special jobs that it excels at.

I have mentioned over the years that the concept that China can only produce junk is badly flawed. Historically they are smarter than the Japanese as well. This has in a way been proven as they are moving twice as fast as the Japanese did years ago.

One difference though is the Japanese steered almost totally away from junk production. I think China is smart enough to cover both ends instead. Plus the middle ground.

There is still some time till they market a car in north America. They have to satisfy Asian demand with low cost units first. The ideal that whatever they will eventually market here will be junk may be a very serious costly error.

They are currently absorbing the technology of many of the worlds best selling cars now and have been. They may improve on this. It already is and will perhaps become the largest economic war the world has ever experienced.

If I lead a country and felt some form of responsibility. How to deal with this over the long haul that may even be shorter than one could imagine. This should have a high priority.

Instead all actions are like it is no problem or there is no way in modern politics today to deal with little more than putting out fires as they pop up.
The world has changed and Is still changing. Yet North America seems to think there is some status quo that will always be present.

Over history many countries have made similar misteaks. Refusal to change has proven to have a natural consequence.

If this jet is as good quality wise after perhaps a few teething problems. That may not even occur. Besides the respective governments demanding their airlines buy Boeing or Airbus. Both those firms may be in big trouble by five years from now.

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Old 11-02-2015, 09:13 PM
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They copied our stuff now they don't need us anymore.

Its easy to produce things cheaply when you don't have to pay for R&D.
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Note that Japan has NOT produced a world-market airliner, but they've tried to do so before. There's no guarantee that the Chinese plane will be a worldwide success. The Russians have also been trying to break into the world market for years without success.

The only real new players in the past 30 years have been the Brazilians and Canadians.
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They copied our stuff now they don't need us anymore.

Its easy to produce things cheaply when you don't have to pay for R&D.
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I have mentioned over the years that the concept that China can only produce junk is badly flawed. Historically they are smarter than the Japanese as well.
This may be true. I have a small amount of experience with some chinese products in the form of Orion Telescopes as I'm into astronomy as a hobby. Some of the chinese produced optic's are good and some of the simpler mechanical aspects of the scopes are good too. But I've noticed that the more complex and critical mechanical parts seem to leave much to be desired.

I'm working on refurbuishing a fairly large scope for my wife right now and I hope that the optic's are as good as I've heard them claimed to be. So far I'm not too happy though I'll admit more work must be done on collimation. The mechanical components for the mount and drives give me cause for concern. I've ordered new ones which I hope will be superior to the originals.

It's difficult to make a meaningful comparison in the realm of tools for example as non chinese power tools are almost impossible to come buy, unless you find a few from Mexico or Malaysia. And chinese metalurgy of such things as drill bits and screws etc it unadulterated garbage as far as I'm concerned. I have never in my life eperienced such a staggeringly high failure rate as from this crud.

One sincerely hopes that they reserve better quality stuff for things like this plane or it'll be a death trap from the get go.

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Harbor Freight Airlines!
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I wouldn't fly on it for free. Loaded with URO parts for sure I would like to see competitive drywall, or hardwood flooring then a motorcycle first, then an automobile, I'll be dead before those happen. I do not need to speed up the being dead process.
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Right, because American commercial planes don't crash . . .

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Old 11-03-2015, 08:36 PM
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And in the real world.....

There are governments where they own the national airline.

There are people in these countries that make the decisions about which aircraft to buy.

And in many third world countries the greatest job in the world is to be a purchasing agent for your government because of what might be called 'commissions' that are built into the price of the items purchased.

Boeing and Airbus might not be able to offer bribes, but China can offer whatever it takes to get the business.
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From personal experience the Chinese are making world class violins, some really crappy ones as well but if you are a parent with a kid who wants to try the violin that would normally cost 300-400 dollars for student violin or you can buy a 100 dollar one that sounds just the same.
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That's where the strats came from, right?
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Right, because American commercial planes don't crash . . .

Take human error and severe weather out of the equation and you are very close.
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Take human error and severe weather out of the equation and you are very close.
Boeing's 777 has proven to be quite the headache.
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Coffee, Tieguanyin or Mao?

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