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JB3 · #46 12-01-2015, 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by tbomachines

I'd also recommend looking at steel buildings. I don't have firsthand experience but I have heard they are cheap, quickly and easily constructed for the money. Might depend what weather you're up against (insulation and heating costs, etc). I do envy you guys who have a lot of space, around here it's more buying commercial property than constructing a new building on private property. Interested in hearing what you settle on, keep us posted.

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I was quoted about 25k for a fully constructed 30x40 steel structure including pad. Of course i needed to provide a fully cleared base and no trees or roots in a heavily wooded area, so price would go up, but i waa told it was a 2 day construction process once the slab was down which is real attractive.

Larry could take a long weekend and come home to a fully built structure if he went with one of these national companies.

It seems pole barns are the cheapest and almost as fast, but they seem like a 30 year structure with wood right in the dirt. Id avoid that personally

JB3 · #47 12-01-2015, 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Air&Road

It will almost certainly be a steel building, but I am trying to look at all options before jumping in. I am stiil considering and planning and have yet to fully commit.

In this area there are so many resources for steel buildings, both material and building savvy. My friend has built several and has done other aspects of construction. We have access to lots of equipment, everything from ditch witches to back hoes to of course a gasoline welder.

If I build it I will farm out the slab for sure. I will also have the doors done by the door folks. Most everything else we will do ourselves.

There are so many expenses involved, the expense stacks up quick. Everything from septic system to water pipe to gravel or asphalt for the driveway and parking to moving fill dirt for raising area.

Thanks again for the responses.

What kind of soil conditions would you be facing? I imagine with the room out there you have good options. Where i am the choice is stone filled earth, or ledge filled earth.

I was reading one thread where a guy dumped about 10 dumptruck loads of fill into a marsh area for one corner of his garage.

Mölyapina · #48 12-01-2015, 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by JB3

I was quoted about 25k for a fully constructed 30x40 steel structure including pad. Of course I needed to provide a fully cleared base and no trees or roots in a heavily wooded area, so price would go up, but I was told it was a 2 day construction process once the slab was down which is real attractive.

It does sound really attractive. The only thing I would wonder is what the quality of those buildings generally is... living in a poorly-constructed house makes me wary of cheap builders in general.

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I was reading one thread where a guy dumped about 10 dumptruck loads of fill into a marsh area for one corner of his garage.

That SO would not fly in MA...

JB3 · #49 12-01-2015, 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Mölyapina

It does sound really attractive. The only thing I would wonder is what the quality of those buildings generally is... living in a poorly-constructed house makes me wary of cheap builders in general.

Exposed girders, insulation and steel siding and roof, my choice of color. Looked like a great building

Mölyapina · #50 12-01-2015, 09:22 PM

What company is it?

JB3 · #51 12-01-2015, 09:24 PM

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What company is it?

Ill dig it up and PM you to not derail larrys thread too much

Mölyapina · #52 12-01-2015, 09:26 PM

Thanks!

tbomachines · #53 12-01-2015, 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by JB3

I was quoted about 25k for a fully constructed 30x40 steel structure including pad. Of course i needed to provide a fully cleared base and no trees or roots in a heavily wooded area, so price would go up, but i waa told it was a 2 day construction process once the slab was down which is real attractive.

Larry could take a long weekend and come home to a fully built structure if he went with one of these national companies.

It seems pole barns are the cheapest and almost as fast, but they seem like a 30 year structure with wood right in the dirt. Id avoid that personally

Not bad! We've got about a 8x15 area backing up to an alley I'd like to construct a garage on. It's literally the one concession I made on buying this place. Not sure it's worth the investment cost vs return on sale (we will be here 5 years). But that's encouraging!

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Air&Road · #54 12-02-2015, 05:52 AM

The only reason I will need fill dirt is to raise the building. Soil conditions are great. Only problem is that the area is perfectly flat. The building needs to be higher than the surrounding area.

Simpler=Better · #55 12-02-2015, 07:42 AM

Before pouring concrete:
#1-Put PEX in the floors for heating, whether you plan on using it or not.
#2-Put conduit stub-ups for electrical along the walls. Way cleaner than running external piping.
#3-Foam insulation under the slab if it gets could out there.

Before moving anything in:
#4-Spray foam on the roof/walls if they're steel.
#5-Some kind of sealant on the floor. Once you get it dirty you'll never get around to painting it(just how it goes)

After that go hog wild

jplinville · #56 12-02-2015, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by tbomachines

I'd also recommend looking at steel buildings. I don't have firsthand experience but I have heard they are cheap, quickly and easily constructed for the money. Might depend what weather you're up against (insulation and heating costs, etc). I do envy you guys who have a lot of space, around here it's more buying commercial property than constructing a new building on private property. Interested in hearing what you settle on, keep us posted.

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It's the same way here...not enough space. Living in an old borough is quaint, but it has it's drawbacks.

jplinville · #57 12-02-2015, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by JB3

I was quoted about 25k for a fully constructed 30x40 steel structure including pad. Of course i needed to provide a fully cleared base and no trees or roots in a heavily wooded area, so price would go up, but i waa told it was a 2 day construction process once the slab was down which is real attractive.

Larry could take a long weekend and come home to a fully built structure if he went with one of these national companies.

It seems pole barns are the cheapest and almost as fast, but they seem like a 30 year structure with wood right in the dirt. Id avoid that personally

Dad and I built a 30X60 pole barn for his garage back in the 1990's. After the poles were in and the floor framed, we poured the concrete. Then the trusses were nailed and, walls wrapped, and roof done. It was a matter of 3 months worth of weekends, but we did it ourselves.

JB3 · #58 12-02-2015, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by jplinville

Dad and I built a 30X60 pole barn for his garage back in the 1990's. After the poles were in and the floor framed, we poured the concrete. Then the trusses were nailed and, walls wrapped, and roof done. It was a matter of 3 months worth of weekends, but we did it ourselves.

Hows it holding up? Any post rot issues?

jplinville · #59 12-02-2015, 05:15 PM

No rot at all. All posts were pressure treated 6X8, and dad rolled something on the end before putting it in the ground...I can't remember, but it may have been creosote. When the inspector came out, he had never inspected a pole barn...so we had to tell him how deep the holes had to be in the area.

We wrapped the exterior walls in T-111 Cedar siding, then insulated the walls. One half was garage, and the other was set up as a living space, complete with built in queen sized bed in a room just large enough for it, two built in fold out twins in a smaller room, and a small kitchen in the corner. Plumbing is attached to the house, 12' away. He put in a wood burning stove, and I ran the electricity and installed base board heating. It has it's own 200 amp service separate from the house wiring. It turned out quite nice. After I divorced my first wife, I lived in it for a few months. My brother owns it now, and his band uses the living quarter side for practice.

I think he had about $8,000 total in materials and such invested into it, plus our blood and sweat. That was in 1995 or 1996. No rot or termites...it's inspected yearly.

Simpler=Better · #60 12-03-2015, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by jplinville

No rot at all. All posts were pressure treated 6X8, and dad rolled something on the end before putting it in the ground...I can't remember, but it may have been creosote. When the inspector came out, he had never inspected a pole barn...so we had to tell him how deep the holes had to be in the area.

We wrapped the exterior walls in T-111 Cedar siding, then insulated the walls. One half was garage, and the other was set up as a living space, complete with built in queen sized bed in a room just large enough for it, two built in fold out twins in a smaller room, and a small kitchen in the corner. Plumbing is attached to the house, 12' away. He put in a wood burning stove, and I ran the electricity and installed base board heating. It has it's own 200 amp service separate from the house wiring. It turned out quite nice. After I divorced my first wife, I lived in it for a few months. My brother owns it now, and his band uses the living quarter side for practice.

I think he had about $8,000 total in materials and such invested into it, plus our blood and sweat. That was in 1995 or 1996. No rot or termites...it's inspected yearly.

This is what I want to do, more or less. Tack on a MIL suite since I'll be running power over there anyway. Just need to figure out a septic solution.