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Old 03-17-2016, 10:19 AM
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autonomous vehicle braking on most autos by 2022

"The agreement will be announced Thursday by 20 automakers and the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration. Automakers will phase in the equipment on nearly all models except some with older electronic capabilities and some with manual transmissions, said the people, who spoke on condition of anonymity because terms of the agreement haven't been announced."

Autonomous braking to be in most cars by 2022

Won't this exclude long distance truckers and wankers who think a manual transmission has some value? Clearly a bad idea.

Wonder when the .nhtsa will phase out manual transmissions.

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"The agreement will be announced Thursday by 20 automakers and the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration. Automakers will phase in the equipment on nearly all models except some with older electronic capabilities and some with manual transmissions, said the people, who spoke on condition of anonymity because terms of the agreement haven't been announced."

Autonomous braking to be in most cars by 2022

Won't this exclude long distance truckers and wankers who think a manual transmission has some value? Clearly a bad idea.

Wonder when the .nhtsa will phase out manual transmissions.
The consumer market will do that soon enough.
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Old 03-17-2016, 11:58 AM
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Am I being called a wanker?
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Am I being called a wanker?
I resemble that comment as well.

3 of 4 vehicles in my signature are manuals...
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Old 03-17-2016, 01:02 PM
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Think you’ll still be driving a manny in 2022? If yes, why?
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I resemble that comment as well.

3 of 4 vehicles in my signature are manuals...
Then you're not a complete wanker...
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Think you’ll still be driving a manny in 2022? If yes, why?
automatic is so boring. I might be able to handle a dual clutch or whatever but man I hate automatics.
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Manuals have already been surpassed for efficiency, and they really dont have much of a place in the future of automotive technology apart from a fun factor.

Shame, as i also love driving a manual transmission. Fortunately the used market will still be lively until im ready to use a self driving car
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I know the technology will be there but wonder if the so called self driving vehicles will be totally practical. Also as complex as they might become a system failure may result in quite an unexpected occurance.
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I had a 2016 S550 rental for two weeks and at the end I started to like the automatic breaking feature. I had it fine tuned it to my liking, it's almost impossible to get into an accident with that car. I didn't like the lane feature, where it puts you back into the lane when you are drifting out of it, it corrects with applying the rear breaks and bounces the car back into the lane. It's not a subtle correction and makes a lot of noise. It scares the **** out of passengers and gave me almost a heart attack the first time it happened.
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^Our newer mbs have a feature known as brake assist, which may help stomp on the brakes depending on the initial amount of pressure the driver applies to the brake pedal. It is startling at first but in time the behavior becomes familiar.

Plus the amount of control the vehicle exerts in skid and spin-out avoidance is something very good, imo.

The march towards greater vehicle autonomy is inevitable and continues to improve. Fortunately a lot of the established capability has become parts bin stuff, meaning that the basic components are readily available and the car makers mostly just modify the software and select the speed of the components they use. This is good for the consumer as it serves to drive down the cost of the parts.

One article I read about autonomous braking estimates it will help avoid around 700 thousand rear end crashes a year. That amounts to a phenomenal savings in vehicle and human repair and replacement.
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Manuals have already been surpassed for efficiency, and they really dont have much of a place in the future of automotive technology apart from a fun factor.

Shame, as i also love driving a manual transmission. Fortunately the used market will still be lively until im ready to use a self driving car
Over a series of years I found that a manual transmission made me overly involved in the minute by minute operation of the vehicle (car and motorcycle). Initially it is fun and empowering but over time it became frustrating. I stopped using a manny after over 2 decades of near daily use and felt a sense of long overdue improvement in doing so.

I never looked back.

Not trying to impose my preference but only noting my experience.
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Over a series of years I found that a manual transmission made me overly involved in the minute by minute operation of the vehicle (car and motorcycle). Initially it is fun and empowering but over time it became frustrating. I stopped using a manny after over 2 decades of near daily use and felt a sense of long overdue improvement in doing so.

I never looked back.

Not trying to impose my preference but only noting my experience.
maybe when I'm older I'll get there. I bought a new car last January and went with automatic. I wanted a manual but I also wanted leather and a sunroof, so I went auto. Less than 8 months later i couldnt take it any more. I traded it for a manual transmission. Pretty dumb but I coudn't help it.
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maybe when I'm older I'll get there. I bought a new car last January and went with automatic. I wanted a manual but I also wanted leather and a sunroof, so I went auto. Less than 8 months later i couldnt take it any more. I traded it for a manual transmission. Pretty dumb but I coudn't help it.
You did the right thing. Gimp-o-matics stink to drive.

Interestingly, new BMWs offer automatic braking even with a manual, so it's possible.
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How many years will it take and how many of these vehicles must be sold to stop 700,000 rear end crashes per year? My guess is a heck of a lot. If on average 1 in 100 cars is involved in a rear end crash each year (which seems high), there must be 70 million of these cars on the road for this reduction to occur.

It seems that these automakers are just adding more features to a car than the public really wants and that these cars will not be repairable on an economic basis after they age and things begin to break. Also adds to the new car cost.

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