Neighbors

[vwnate1]

That's terrible ~ I live in a low rent district so lots of dogs running loose, I hope you nor any Children get bitten .

FWIW, a nice bowl of undiluted antifreeze will take care of loose/stray dogs but it'll also kill your pets and even Children of they taste it and discover how sweet it is ~ I consider this a last resort as once an animal drinks antifreeze it had renal failure, no Vet. Doctor or medicine can possibly save it .

[Squiggle Dog]

Originally Posted by vwnate1

FWIW, a nice bowl of undiluted antifreeze will take care of loose/stray dogs but it'll also kill your pets and even Children of they taste it and discover how sweet it is ~ I consider this a last resort as once an animal drinks antifreeze it had renal failure, no Vet. Doctor or medicine can possibly save it .

Oh my gosh, I hope you are not serious!

[Diseasel300]

Originally Posted by vwnate1

FWIW, a nice bowl of undiluted antifreeze will take care of loose/stray dogs but it'll also kill your pets and even Children of they taste it and discover how sweet it is ~ I consider this a last resort as once an animal drinks antifreeze it had renal failure, no Vet. Doctor or medicine can possibly save it .

What the hell is wrong with you? If you're actually serious, please seek psychological attention immediately.

[OM617YOTA]

Originally Posted by vwnate1

That's terrible ~ I live in a low rent district so lots of dogs running loose, I hope you nor any Children get bitten .

FWIW, a nice bowl of undiluted antifreeze will take care of loose/stray dogs but it'll also kill your pets and even Children of they taste it and discover how sweet it is ~ I consider this a last resort as once an animal drinks antifreeze it had renal failure, no Vet. Doctor or medicine can possibly save it .

You have a severe misunderstanding of the situation. Like a young child misbehaving, those dogs are completely innocent. They know no better. All responsibility belongs with the owners, yet you would condemn the dogs to a painful agonizing death.

Even mentioning it shows you have a few screws loose. I'm glad you're not my neighbor.

[vwnate1]

I made an ill advised post about last resort to get rid of vicious dogs running loose and biting people, a common occurrence in my Ghetto neighborhood .

I was attacked verbally and chastised/warned by the list moderator so I won't do it again .

I'm sad that it's apparently O.K. for Children to get bitten as long as the dog is allowed to run wild and do whatever it wants but then, I'm a Blue Collar Farmer / Mechanic / Parent who cares more about Humans than animals .

I will not make this mistake again .

[Diseasel300]

Originally Posted by vwnate1

I'm sad that it's apparently O.K. for Children to get bitten as long as the dog is allowed to run wild and do whatever it wants but then, I'm a Blue Collar Farmer / Mechanic / Parent who cares more about Humans than animals .

I will not make this mistake again .

That wasn't the problem, the problem was that you openly condoned a CRIMINAL act as if it were just something "normal". It isn't and you need to take a serious look at yourself if you feel that's an appropriate response.

When a dog attack occurs, you call the police. The dog is not your property and not your place to resolve the issue. If the dog is aggressive or has a history of attacking people, it will be seized by the authorities. That's what they're there for.

[HuskyMan]

Originally Posted by vwnate1

I made an ill advised post about last resort to get rid of vicious dogs running loose and biting people, a common occurrence in my Ghetto neighborhood .

I was attacked verbally and chastised/warned by the list moderator so I won't do it again .

I'm sad that it's apparently O.K. for Children to get bitten as long as the dog is allowed to run wild and do whatever it wants but then, I'm a Blue Collar Farmer / Mechanic / Parent who cares more about Humans than animals .

I will not make this mistake again .

Under the rules of society we are supposed to allow roaming pitbulls tear our legs and arms off THEN call the police.

Interestingly enough, a few weeks back I spoke with a local man whose father was out on his morning walk and was MAULED by a pit bull. The dog took out big pieces of meat and muscle out of his father's legs. Of course the pit bull ran off after the attack leaving his father bleeding out in the street....

If you or I shoot a violent dog to keep it from attacking us we'll be charged with animal cruelty in a heart beat. But if officer friendly blows the dogs brains out, it is perfectly legal. Go figure.

The problem is the police officer is not around at the moment the neighbor's dog rips your throat out then proceeds to systematically tear your arms off. Hopefully, if such an event were to occur,you would be able to dial 911 using your teeth.......

Good luck out there, you, me and everyone on this forum is going to need it.

[Squiggle Dog]

Regarding the deleted post, it's certainly not an acceptable way to "take care of roaming/stray dogs". As was said, the dogs are innocent and it's the fault of the owners/pet parents/lack thereof. There's also no telling how many other animals and wildlife (possibly children, too) could become poisoned. It's good that the post was removed.

It's also not acceptable that anyone should be in danger of being bitten, so certainly action should be taken against those responsible for being so irresponsible with their dogs. I spent a few years in a small town where letting one's dog roam wasn't a big deal as there wasn't much traffic and the dogs were mostly pretty well-behaved, but I personally wouldn't let my dog roam free because I don't feel it's responsible nor safe for the dog. In fact, the one time my family had a dog, she got hit by a car and killed the next day, illustrating the dangers of not keeping your pets enclosed on your property. If a person feels their pet "needs to be free", they should take them on long walks where they can be supervised to make sure no harm comes to them nor anyone else.

When I lived in Washington, there was a neighbor with a little dog that would come into my yard and incessantly bark viciously at me whenever I was outside. It got very annoying, so I told the neighbor about the problem and then it kept happening, so I went over and told her in a stern voice to please keep her dog in her own fenced back yard.

Then after I left, she came back over and started yelling at me, saying, "Oh, so my dog can't be on your property, yet you can trespass onto my property to tell me that my dog's annoying you?!" I said, "Yes, you need to take care of your dog!" Then she responded, "So you're telling me to stomp on my dog!" I said, "No, keep your dog contained!" I ended up just calling Animal Control each time and she was compelled to keep her dog within her yard or be fined.

Irresponsible people letting poorly behaved animals run free are certainly a problem, but killing the animal is never the ethical solution unless it's in self-defense. If it continues to be a problem, I say be relentless. Make it so miserable for the neighbor that they have to cave. Just poisoning the animal and maybe others in the process is the easy way out and pretty disgusting.

I'm not saying that an animal's life is worth more than a human's, but that the animal shouldn't be killed just because it's the easiest and most convenient way. The problem needs to be solved at the cause--the "caretaker". Otherwise, what's to keep the problem from perpetuating? They'll be right back getting another dog that they won't keep contained.

[vwnate1]

Your reading comprehension needs brushing up .

-Nate

Originally Posted by Diseasel300

That wasn't the problem, the problem was that you openly condoned a CRIMINAL act as if it were just something "normal". It isn't and you need to take a serious look at yourself if you feel that's an appropriate response.

When a dog attack occurs, you call the police. The dog is not your property and not your place to resolve the issue. If the dog is aggressive or has a history of attacking people, it will be seized by the authorities. That's what they're there for.

[HuskyMan]

Originally Posted by vstech

The dog comments need to be in OD, or politics section. Let me know if you want the posts there.

INHO, the dog comments relate to the OP. As you read through the thread you'll read where one of the posters suggested borrowing a truck from my neighbors.

I then shared my thoughts concerning borrowing and the fact that three of my neighbors allow their dogs to roam the neighborhood OFF LEASH.

One of my neighbors was bitten on the leg by one of the OFF LEASH dogs. Since the off leash dog owners have shown a callous sociopathic attitude towards the rest of their neighbors, there is no way a thinking, reasonable man or woman should ever consider borrowing a tooth pick, much less a truck from them.

IMHO, when anyone makes ANY DEAL with someone who is possibly mentally deficient, sociopathic or psychopathic, things can only get worse.

I've always minimized the number of contractors I hire to do anything; you need to vet as carefully as possible ANYONE you allow onto your property and INTO YOUR LIFE. You don't know them from adam and you may have just hired or borrowed from a psychopath.

I've taken to doing as many of my chores and errands myself without ANY help from the neighbors. Back in the day, this attitude was known as INDEPENDENT THINKING.

[Squiggle Dog]

My view on it is I'd like to have a symbiotic/family type relationship with the neighbors, where they can rely on me for help, and if I need something, asking for help isn't too much to ask.

There have been many times where I've been struggling to do a task because I'm too poor to afford to buy the proper tool, and a neighbor has offered to let me borrow a ladder, chainsaw, or something else. Then later on I've found a way to repay their kindness that was easy enough for me to do and didn't really put me out in any way, yet it was a great help to them.

Sadly, the attitude these days seems to be every man for himself and "Why help them, I don't have to?" I think it's even important to give aid and kindness to people who aren't deserving of it, because otherwise we just perpetuate this disconnected, selfish attitude that is getting worse in society.

I also think it's fine to distance oneself from a psychopath. If they seem unsafe to associate with or become indebted to in any way, it's probably best to avoid any interactions with them. Some people are so far gone that all you can do is leave them alone and hope that one day they have a life-changing epiphany.

It's interesting that the dog comments were removed. At least no one will have to read the advice that was given, though it bothers me that poisoning dogs was ever offered as advice and I don't think that pointing out how well a person treats their own dogs makes that advice any more acceptable.

[HuskyMan]

Been thinking about the violent animal issue the past few days. If you are hiking either by yourself or with others in Alaska and a violent out-of-control grizzly bear attacks you or the other hikers, no one blinks an eye if you pull out a gun and shoot the bear DEAD. Seems no one objects to your right to defend yourself and your friends while hiking in Alaska.

OTH, if we city dwellers gun down a violent out-of-control people killing pit bull THAT IS ATTACKING ADULTS or CHILDREN, we may face criminal charges.

Go figure.

[Squiggle Dog]

Originally Posted by HuskyMan

Been thinking about the violent animal issue the past few days. If you are hiking either by yourself or with others in Alaska and a violent out-of-control grizzly bear attacks you or the other hikers, no one blinks an eye if you pull out a gun and shoot the bear DEAD. Seems no one objects to your right to defend yourself and your friends while hiking in Alaska.

OTH, if we city dwellers gun down a violent out-of-control people killing pit bull THAT IS ATTACKING ADULTS or CHILDREN, we may face criminal charges.

Go figure.

Laws often don't make sense. There are too many disconnects in peoples' minds and often laws are made based on monetary considerations.

I personally think that there is justification in killing an animal if it's in self-defense. If I could protect myself or others without killing the animal, I would also make that choice if it were an option, but sometimes it's not.

But, you are right that a person may face criminal charges even if it's in self-defense, similar to if a person breaks into your house and comes at you with a knife and you shoot them. You were protecting yourself against a criminal who broke the law by coming into your home, and protecting yourself against physical harm, but may still face charges of manslaughter. Sometimes you're condemned either way and have to choose the lesser of the two evils--make the choice to be killed or critically injured, or to end up in jail for a while.

I suppose the difference between being on a hike in Alaska and shooting an attacking, out-of-control dog is that one is considered "property". It's not really anything to do with the intrinsic value of the animal as much as taking something of monetary value away from someone.

It's similar to how it's legal and even protected for "food" animals to be treated horribly and killed because it makes money for the economy, but if a person did the same thing to a "pet" animal, it would be considered animal cruelty and they would spend time in jail.

[HuskyMan]

It's a screwed up world, for sure. I've got one neighbor who owns who lets his dog run loose (he also happens to own several trucks). Many of the other neighbors have asked him politely to keep his dog on leash. He refuses.

A few years back, his dog ran straight out in front of a motorcyclist and came close to causing an accident. The dog has also helped me test out my reaction times to brake by running straight in front of the 1984 300DT while I was at the wheel.

The other day I found out his dog attacked and bit another neighbor on the leg. I figure if it happens again one of the following may happen:

1. He gets sued.

2. The victim shoots his dog.

[Diseasel300]

Originally Posted by HuskyMan

It's a screwed up world, for sure. I've got one neighbor who owns who lets his dog run loose (he also happens to own several trucks). Many of the other neighbors have asked him politely to keep his dog on leash. He refuses.

A few years back, his dog ran straight out in front of a motorcyclist and came close to causing an accident.

Does your locality have leash laws? I bet it does. If so, you should be calling the police or animal control when the dog is out wandering around. They will cite the neighbor, fine the neighbor, then take the dog(s). That's their job and that's how things work in a civilized society.

By doing nothing you are showing acceptance of the problem and doing nothing to stop it. If you take no action to stop a problem, you have ZERO room to complain about it.