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Old 03-04-2019, 01:09 PM
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The former Venezuelan ambassador, a Chavista, resigned in protest over Maduro. He claims that Cuba and Russia have infiltrated clandestine armed groups into Venezuela to help prop up Maduro. The only international supporters are a rogues gallery including China, Russia, Iran, Cuba and Turkey. Even OPEC has abandoned the regime.

The people of Venezuela are voting with their feet. Around 3 million have left the country and are primarily in Colombia and Brazil. Around 600 military and police have deserted rather than enforce the laws preventing food and medical aid from entering.
My understanding is that Venezuela owes Russia and China a lot of $$. So, it is their best interest to keep the present dictator.

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Old 03-15-2019, 12:59 AM
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My understanding is that Venezuela owes Russia and China a lot of $$. So, it is their best interest to keep the present dictator.


The mess that country is in is a result of a long standing program by another country. That has persistently been destroying the quality of life in many other countries as well.

The participation of the media verges on criminal. The illusions fostered on people by outright lying propaganda are signifigant. The best hope for the future of American people is not in the present activities. The general state inside America will deteriorate continuously as long as this policy continues. It is not rocket science.

A government that can engage in this type of activity externally. Is capable of applying undesirable things internally. Evil has no roots so there are no inhibitors with it. It can grow exponentially.

If my government is instrumental in killing women and children for third parties. While representing us. As citizens they should do something about it. Taxpayers paying for in essence mercenaries for corporations goes way over the top. Just so they can make more money. Breaking all kinds of well established international laws In the process.

As long as the propaganda works American citizens will not suffer a police state existence. The best approach for change is large organized peaceful demonstrations. Although even at this stage they might be violently suppressed under one pretext or another.

The vote cannot stop what is going on. Historically the only thing governments fear is civil unrest. Suppressing it results in totalitarian governments. When the authorities refuse to carry this out for the government is when governments fall.

There is obvious evidence the American government has been experimenting a little with internal population control with other than propaganda. Again it is always masked by one pretext or another.

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Old 03-15-2019, 07:38 AM
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Venezuela is descending into medieval living conditions due to the Chavez-Maduro socialism.

The only countries supporting the Maduro regime are those beacons of human rights: Russia, Cuba, Nicaragua, Iran and China.

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My understanding is that Venezuela owes Russia and China a lot of $$. So, it is their best interest to keep the present dictator.
That makes no sense. Keep the ones in power who crippled a wealthy country in order to get your money back. I think charting a new course could only go up from where it is today. That may take a while to change a commie/socialist countries mind set about that thing called work.
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The 'mess' was started in Colonial times. Same with Africa and the ME. The US was not a Colonial Power at that time. Also, there was an article on racism in Mexico on CNN (??) this weak, having to do with shin color. Yes, the US has had a poor influence. That includes the Obama administration. Tough choices to make though. Look at Libya or even Iraq.
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The 'mess' was started in Colonial times. Same with Africa and the ME. The US was not a Colonial Power at that time. Also, there was an article on racism in Mexico on CNN (??) this weak, having to do with shin color. Yes, the US has had a poor influence. That includes the Obama administration. Tough choices to make though. Look at Libya or even Iraq.
Blame anyone but the commie/socialists for their "mess". I don't remember seeing people looking through garbage trucks for food for the last ten years let alone five hundred years.
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So now we are pulling out Americans. So they don't get hurt when the bullets start to fly?
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Old 03-15-2019, 10:21 AM
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So now we are pulling out Americans. So they don't get hurt when the bullets start to fly?
Yeah we are going to go in and take all of their garbage trucks by force so they have nothing to eat.
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Old 03-15-2019, 10:28 AM
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All of Latin america is full of crooked politians worse than ours.Cops take bribes.The U.N. needs to form a task force,to remove these bastards from power. Restore basic rights to people.Then come to america.
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All of Latin america is full of crooked politians worse than ours.Cops take bribes.The U.N. needs to form a task force,to remove these bastards from power. Restore basic rights to people.Then come to america.
I sure hope our politicians don't go there and see how rich their politicians are, while their people are starving.
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Old 03-15-2019, 10:34 AM
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The 'mess' was started in Colonial times. Same with Africa and the ME. The US was not a Colonial Power at that time. Also, there was an article on racism in Mexico on CNN (??) this weak, having to do with shin color. Yes, the US has had a poor influence. That includes the Obama administration. Tough choices to make though. Look at Libya or even Iraq.
All true. When the USA was a negligible world power we could afford to be pure and adamant. As we gained influence we had to make compromises. It’s the type of problem that we face individually as well as internationally and all levels between.

When you’re insignificant bad choices are negligible. When you’re the supreme world power every choice will hurt somebody.

Nevertheless, choices must be made.

Venezuela is one of those.
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Old 03-15-2019, 12:29 PM
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Blame anyone but the commie/socialists for their "mess". I don't remember seeing people looking through garbage trucks for food for the last ten years let alone five hundred years.
Part of that was fueled by the Petro $$. When it was $4/gal, then they could afford their socialism. About the same with the ME.
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Old 03-15-2019, 02:09 PM
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A hefty percentage of the world is semi socialist. Rather than just a label it is a method to add some equality to living standards. That would be far worse for a percentage of the population otherwise. Actually what attempt to describe various ones or label them good or bad. Depends on how they are applied.

Combinations of them can and do exist in countries that have decent standards of living. Even some total dictatorships have been good for their overall population. Legitimate efforts to really help countries I approve of.

Countries evolve themselves based on their own culture. Outside culture is obvious in Venezuala. Their national assembly is almost 100 percent of European decent. Their leader is not. Their indigenous population has in most cases been suppressed by denying them education and many other things.

This was starting to change under their last leader and continuing with the current one. It is said that their current leader cannot be brought. This is a real issue for the minority white class there. A corruptible stooge was located and groomed.

Unfortunatly the majority of the population have advanced enough to see through the ploy. America wants the exact opposite of a democracy there. As does the white national assembly. Who have gone so far as to not obey their countries version of the supreme court. Their supreme court determined and ordered that four members fraudently elected. Where to be removed from their positions in the national assembly.

The peoples condition might become a little better with the sanctions removed. At the same time this has not been the case in other countries that have received the benefit of regime change. Compelled by external power.
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Old 03-15-2019, 04:26 PM
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That makes no sense. Keep the ones in power who crippled a wealthy country in order to get your money back. I think charting a new course could only go up from where it is today. That may take a while to change a commie/socialist countries mind set about that thing called work.
It is sort of like them going bankrupt. Then some lenders get zilch. That would be Russia and China. So it is in their best interest to keep the present leaders.
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Old 03-15-2019, 06:08 PM
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All of Latin america is full of crooked politians worse than ours.Cops take bribes.The U.N. needs to form a task force,to remove these bastards from power. Restore basic rights to people.Then come to america.
Are they all shytehole countries?

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