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Old 04-30-2019, 01:43 AM
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Good man with gun shoots 6 yrold daughter

A good man with a gun shot his 6 year old daughter with the double barreled shot gun he was cleaning.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/crime-law/2019/04/30/lesson-gun-safety-ends-when-man-accidentally-shoots-his-year-old-daughter/?utm_term=.7e7f6b9c6991


Just one of the hazards of taking guns into your home.
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Old 04-30-2019, 07:47 AM
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or is it a story to get you to subcribe,like bait click news
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Old 04-30-2019, 12:11 PM
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Two constants in my mind.

Everyone is not mentally fit to own a gun. Personality issues alone are rampant. Children and guns in a household are a questionable combination.

Children are just too curious and resourceful to guarantee the two can be kept apart. Parents all too often underestimate their children's abilities.

Most people are not that great at risk assessment. This case was hopefully only a case of abject stupidity.

The technology exists so that a gun can be programmed to only fire if a certain individual has it in their hands. If children are in a household this should be made a law. Simply because the average common sense quotient just is not there.

For example you turn in an older model for a childproof version. I forget the yearly average of accidental shootings in households. It is enough though to consider a major change.

You would still be required to secure it properly. Yet if the kids still manage to get hold of it. It just will not work. People perhaps also forget they can get their hands on the key usually if determined.

Yes it would touch people a little financially. At the same time the kids safety especially is worth it. Or if one could not see this if safer guns where sold. They should do a serious self examination.

Children do not have the cognizant awareness of what a gun can really do. At the same time they have abilities born out of natural curiosity. To get into most forms of what their parents consider secure arrangements.

The typical lockable gun storage lockers I see sold. Are pretty much a joke to a determined curious child. To defeat the lock methology is on the web. Plus Utube videos if they have issues with concept.

Same may apply to trigger locks. I have never picked a lock myself yet was surprised how easy it was when I looked up the information. As they say from what I saw a child could do it. Our perspectives on the security locks provide is somewhat flawed. A lock is to keep friends and casual people out of something. To a determined person it does not do the job.

Again with curiosity as the enabler with children is a strong motivator in itself.

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Old 04-30-2019, 12:23 PM
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“My family, we’re already penny-pinching everything,” he told the judge. “I just want to help my family, that’s all I want to do.”

One wonders about the combined price tag of his several guns.

It appears the girl will survive. Wow, shotgun to the stomach at age 6.
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Old 04-30-2019, 01:13 PM
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? Who says this is a "good man" ? .


Appears to be an idiot by his actions and obvious lying .
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Old 04-30-2019, 05:05 PM
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We live in a violent society. People think guns will fix ... something... not sure what. This girls injury and thee deaths of countless others are the by product of this insanity.

It's the world we live in. Nothing will change. None of the 2A folks will agree to any manner of gun control. Bans on weapons are ineffective. Fortunately she survived. Others will not.

I'd like to see his weapons confiscated and him prosecuted for reckless endangerment. Perhaps he could set an example for other idiots out there.
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Old 04-30-2019, 06:44 PM
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Try a little CONTEXT: In 2016, 452 children (ages 14 and under) died as a result of accidental and homicide firearm discharges (CDC link below, Table 6)... 160 from using a firearm to commit suicide

1,467 died from hanging or strangulation (252 on purpose, 1215 were accidental)

1,453 died in auto accidents (same age group, Table 6)

32,710 total deaths (all causes) in 2016, same age group.

1.4% of all child related deaths are a result of firearms. Our 2nd amendment is worth that much. I know that will spin the heads off of the anti-gun crowd... but try living under Tyranny without the ability to resist before going rabid. Planet earth is NOT utopia. We negotiate everything in balance. There is a raw cost associated with FREEDOM.


CDC Source: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr67/nvsr67_05.pdf


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Old 04-30-2019, 08:59 PM
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Try a little CONTEXT: In 2016, 452 children (ages 14 and under) died as a result of accidental and homicide firearm discharges (CDC link below, Table 6)... 160 from using a firearm to commit suicide

1,467 died from hanging or strangulation (252 on purpose, 1215 were accidental)

1,453 died in auto accidents (same age group, Table 6)

32,710 total deaths (all causes) in 2016, same age group.

1.4% of all child related deaths are a result of firearms. Our 2nd amendment is worth that much. I know that will spin the heads off of the anti-gun crowd... but try living under Tyranny without the ability to resist before going rabid. Planet earth is NOT utopia. We negotiate everything in balance. There is a raw cost associated with FREEDOM.


CDC Source: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr67/nvsr67_05.pdf


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Umm. What tyranny?

Planning on a civil war?

Whatever arms you have are inconsequential against the military of any current government.
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Old 04-30-2019, 09:54 PM
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Umm. What tyranny?

Planning on a civil war?

Whatever arms you have are inconsequential against the military of any current government.

What tyranny? My point exactly... 243 years of gun ownership has kept Neo Stalin at bay.

The civil war was a prime example of why guns are needed in the hands of the people. The south obtained its weapons from private individuals, private gun manufacturing companies, overseas purchases, and raiding federal armories. That was enough to raise a standing Army made up of volunteers. The south was fighting for states rights (the right of the states to decide on slavery)... under the 10th amendment... which failed... leading to secession. They were outgunned by the Federal government on heavy artillery (just like they are today... meaning the states are outgunned by the federal government) but they were able to manufacture their own in small numbers. Most of their heavy artillery early in the war was bought in New York (of all places) and captured from Union forces, supply trains, armories.

Civilians have always been outgunned by governments. That fact alone doesn't translate to disarming the people. The hallmark of a FREE PEOPLE has always been their right to keep and bear arms.

Ask yourself if the UK is free? No personal ownership of firearms... resulting in strict internet censorship (the police will knock on your door if you criticize Islam)... bans on certain speech... STATE CONTROL... they are no more free than the illusion of their freedom... monitored 24/7 by CCTV. BREXIT non-implementation... a joke on Freedom. And what are the people to do? SUBMIT.
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Old 04-30-2019, 11:43 PM
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Try a little CONTEXT: In 2016, 452 children (ages 14 and under) died as a result of accidental and homicide firearm discharges (CDC link below, Table 6)... 160 from using a firearm to commit suicide

1,467 died from hanging or strangulation (252 on purpose, 1215 were accidental)

1,453 died in auto accidents (same age group, Table 6)

32,710 total deaths (all causes) in 2016, same age group.

1.4% of all child related deaths are a result of firearms. Our 2nd amendment is worth that much. I know that will spin the heads off of the anti-gun crowd... but try living under Tyranny without the ability to resist before going rabid. Planet earth is NOT utopia. We negotiate everything in balance. There is a raw cost associated with FREEDOM.


CDC Source: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr67/nvsr67_05.pdf


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Old 04-30-2019, 11:55 PM
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What tyranny? My point exactly... 243 years of gun ownership has kept Neo Stalin at bay.

The civil war was a prime example of why guns are needed in the hands of the people. The south obtained its weapons from private individuals, private gun manufacturing companies, overseas purchases, and raiding federal armories. That was enough to raise a standing Army made up of volunteers. The south was fighting for states rights (the right of the states to decide on slavery)... under the 10th amendment... which failed... leading to secession. They were outgunned by the Federal government on heavy artillery (just like they are today... meaning the states are outgunned by the federal government) but they were able to manufacture their own in small numbers. Most of their heavy artillery early in the war was bought in New York (of all places) and captured from Union forces, supply trains, armories.

Civilians have always been outgunned by governments. That fact alone doesn't translate to disarming the people. The hallmark of a FREE PEOPLE has always been their right to keep and bear arms.

Ask yourself if the UK is free? No personal ownership of firearms... resulting in strict internet censorship (the police will knock on your door if you criticize Islam)... bans on certain speech... STATE CONTROL... they are no more free than the illusion of their freedom... monitored 24/7 by CCTV. BREXIT non-implementation... a joke on Freedom. And what are the people to do? SUBMIT.
I have found nothing to suggest that it is against the law to criticize islam in the UK. It is against the law to intimidate or threaten someone because of their beliefs.

As for CCTV, 3 US cities are in the top 5.
https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/most-spied-on-cities-in-the-world.html

The world has changed quite a bit since the Civil war. Information can be disseminated instantly. Economies are intertwined. Many countries through out the world have some how managed to survive without the existence of guns in every house hold.

More over, you must have a really low opinion of the soldiers in the US military if you think they would raise up arms against the people. I have a very hard time believing that they would.

The fact that there has not been any tyranny in 243 years is not necessarily related to the existence of guns any more than the lack of a asteroid hit is.
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Old 05-01-2019, 09:30 AM
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I have found nothing to suggest that it is against the law to criticize islam in the UK. It is against the law to intimidate or threaten someone because of their beliefs.
Paul weston was arrested for it. It happens, BBC source: https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-hampshire-27186573


While its true that a negative cannot be proven, one could also reasonably argue that the reason WW III hasn't happened is because of Nuclear stockpiles.

Nonetheless, you seem like a good Joe. I'll bow out of this discussion.


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Old 05-01-2019, 09:33 AM
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Why is it binary? Is there no form of gun control that will not infringe upon your right to own a gun(s)?
Curious. Do you enjoy string arguments... just pulling it further by adding things to get a reaction?

There are countless gun control laws on the books. It's why I don't own a Thompson sub-machine gun, or a BAR. I don't think anyone is lobbying to bring those back.
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Old 05-01-2019, 03:53 PM
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Umm. What tyranny?

Planning on a civil war?

Whatever arms you have are inconsequential against the military of any current government.
Supposedly our military is not supposed to be used against us.
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..Talk about bullcrap spinning the discussion.....
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