Government types tell us how to live......

[HuskyMan]

Neither Biden nor Warren have worked in the private sector nor operated a private sector business for the past 40 years. Neither know what it is like to have to meet payroll, to hire and fire or deal with the everyday issues and challenges of running a company.

Amazon started from nothing and has grown into one of the largest online retailers and providers of internet services. As they said, they have created 300,000 jobs which is a h*ll of a lot more than Biden or Warren have ever created.

Job killers or job creators......you decide....

https://www.geekwire.com/2019/amazon-fires-back-joe-biden-twitter-corporate-taxes-pay-every-penny-owe/

[sloride]

All they see is one thing, and one thing only. If they could grab 50 billion or so from him in taxes they could buy a whole lot of votes with that money.

[cmac2012]

Husky got that large font going again. Oh boy. Some would argue that Amazon displaced as many jobs as they created. It does have some efficiencies but I dunno. All these people using bricks and mortar joints as showroom and then buy from Amazon. Weird.

[oldsinner111]

what gets me is,they eat,steak,lobster,prime rib,lamb,fruits,things working people can't buy. And think they deserve it,all both sides do is fight,never create bills,just stir crap.

[barry12345]

Originally Posted by cmac2012

Husky got that large font going again. Oh boy. Some would argue that Amazon displaced as many jobs as they created. It does have some efficiencies but I dunno. All these people using bricks and mortar joints as showroom and then buy from Amazon. Weird.

It seems to be taking a toll to some extent. The local large Canadian tire store just took on new owners. I was there this morning talking to the last owner out in the parking lot.

He was saying he was seeing the impact from them plus his concern were starting to reduce their margins. The ever increasing overhead costs today with the average person having less disposable income was probably a factor in him getting out as well.

They were closed today for inventory and the past owner was just telling people why basically. To do the inventory in one day on a store that large would require a lot of people. As for myself I only purchased things on sale there. As I considered that their normal retail fair pricing. Well as fair as you are going to see in Canada.

We also have a harbor freight type store chain in Canada called princess auto. It was relatively cheap until they put up the latest local store. If you do not know better most things there now cost more than the same item elsewhere.

So if I buy anything there. I generally no longer have any reason to pick up other things on kind of an impulse basis. They may not be hurting but they are not very busy anymore as well.

I also was at a napa store this morning. Asking about some rebuilt calipers. They told me there was currently a problem of availability. I asked why and they quoted that a large rebuilder in America had apparently closed up.

I was surprised if they were right. That there even existed a north American rebuilder of any size. I thought the remanufacturing all had left north America years ago. Also what seemed unusual was the average price of a rebuilt caliper had been steadily increasing in Canada in the last few years.

[t walgamuth]

Originally Posted by oldsinner111

what gets me is,they eat,steak,lobster,prime rib,lamb,fruits,things working people can't buy. And think they deserve it,all both sides do is fight,never create bills,just stir crap.

That is not true of all of them.

[Idle]

Originally Posted by barry12345

It seems to be taking a toll to some extent. The local large Canadian tire store just took on new owners. I was there this morning talking to the last owner out in the parking lot.

He was saying he was seeing the impact from them plus his concern were starting to reduce their margins. The ever increasing overhead costs today with the average person having less disposable income was probably a factor in him getting out as well.

They were closed today for inventory and the past owner was just telling people why basically. To do the inventory in one day on a store that large would require a lot of people. As for myself I only purchased things on sale there. As I considered that their normal retail fair pricing. Well as fair as you are going to see in Canada.

We also have a harbor freight type store chain in Canada called princess auto. It was relatively cheap until they put up the latest local store. If you do not know better most things there now cost more than the same item elsewhere.

So if I buy anything there. I generally no longer have any reason to pick up other things on kind of an impulse basis. They may not be hurting but they are not very busy anymore as well.

I also was at a napa store this morning. Asking about some rebuilt calipers. They told me there was currently a problem of availability. I asked why and they quoted that a large rebuilder in America had apparently closed up.

I was surprised if they were right. That there even existed a north American rebuilder of any size. I thought the remanufacturing all had left north America years ago. Also what seemed unusual was the average price of a rebuilt caliper had been steadily increasing in Canada in the last few years.

About 50 years ago I was in a rebuilding company in Fort Worth. I don't remember the name of the place but I do remember almost everyone there was Hispanic. I also remember that almost no one spoke English.

I was joking with the owner that he should move his operation to Mexico. He said he might do so some day.

I lost touch with them but I heard they moved to Mexico about 40 years ago.

And then, about 25 years ago I was working with a guy who was rebuilding brakes, and nothing more, for classic autos. This was the type of place where you could even bring in your calipers for rebuilding and he would return your parts to you. This was for the hardcore who wanted to keep everything numbers matching.

He's still in business. So could it be that service is the new way to success in the US and not mass production?

[tjts1]

Originally Posted by HuskyMan

Neither Biden nor Warren have worked in the private sector nor operated a private sector business for the past 40 years. Neither know what it is like to have to meet payroll, to hire and fire or deal with the everyday issues and challenges of running a company.

Amazon started from nothing and has grown into one of the largest online retailers and providers of internet services. As they said, they have created 300,000 jobs which is a h*ll of a lot more than Biden or Warren have ever created.

Job killers or job creators......you decide....

https://www.geekwire.com/2019/amazon-fires-back-joe-biden-twitter-corporate-taxes-pay-every-penny-owe/

I'll vote for them just to make your butt hurt.

[HuskyMan]

Originally Posted by tjts1

I'll vote for them just to make your butt hurt.

we all know your blood vow swearing your allegiance to caesar makes a difference!

[barry12345]

Originally Posted by Idle

About 50 years ago I was in a rebuilding company in Fort Worth. I don't remember the name of the place but I do remember almost everyone there was Hispanic. I also remember that almost no one spoke English.

I was joking with the owner that he should move his operation to Mexico. He said he might do so some day.

I lost touch with them but I heard they moved to Mexico about 40 years ago.

And then, about 25 years ago I was working with a guy who was rebuilding brakes, and nothing more, for classic autos. This was the type of place where you could even bring in your calipers for rebuilding and he would return your parts to you. This was for the hardcore who wanted to keep everything numbers matching.

He's still in business. So could it be that service is the new way to success in the US and not mass production?

This was the projection fostered on to the public at the time of the mass removal of the industrialization of north America. That we would survive in service industry capacities.

To this day I still consider it the most serious error the governments. Of both countries in north America may have ever made. There have been some dandies before this. They just do not compare in seriousness.

The problem I saw was it was not a value added alternative in the same sense as true manufacturing has.. The largest class of workers in numbers today is perhaps the fast food component of the north American economy. Essentially hamburger flippers. That alone speaks volumes.

In the early 1980s I tried to explain to people the change I thought was underway. Plus the eventual downside.

I do not know just how much longer until it is realized that we must go head to head with the orient. We will have to automate as they are doing now. So labor costs are not a factor. This also means corporations that employ a lot of automation will have to be very heavily taxed.

I watch for bell weathers of change but so far it is pretty grim. Constant endless debt accumulating is not a valid alternative. Other countries have done it through history and the outcome seldom varies. It creates all kinds of problems. The governments may act on your behalf but the responsibility for their actions does impact the society they govern.

I have asked for quotes on some automated production equipment. At my age of 77 it makes little sense for myself. I just think it is better to leave something functional that produces product for the kids and grandchildren. So if I live two more years and my health holds it should be up and running.

I try to practice what I believe in. The product goes head to head with a product now made almost exclusively in China. The in house labor component will be very small. The market it serves is not really subject to the economic business cycle. The demand remains constant. You have to basically expand the market area to increase it.

We have done several production runs under the radar to test the product. Plus the response to it. They were labor intensive with out the automation equipment. To maintain a profit there could be no middleman. So they were sold direct. By word of mouth.

One result that is still troubling was the request for special orders with the additional cost as not a particular concern by the customers. This demand was not really expected. Nor was there any real expectation that that demand even existed in the percentage it does.

China does not serve this market. Nor anyone else. Yet this means that even more complex machines are needed. One I have asked for a quote on can hold ninety different programs.

In the new environment there are many things that have to be done. The level of automation must be kept out of sight. The cash flow must be concealed as much as possible. So I think we will set up bank accounts with many banks and deposit on a rotating basis. So the larger companies that are on Dun and Brad streets lookout list may not pick us up too early. Going to be tough with so much payment by all forms of electronic media today. We will not be trying to hide from the tax people.

Ironically the banks own what I fear. The business rating firms. Since we will not be financing anything or leasing equipment. We are less likely to see much interest by them.. Hopefully. They do far more than credit ratings.

If you are observed making a real dollar. Your operation will see competition. If the operation can stay in the background clutter for a couple of years. The operation should remain profitable even if it is forced to sell under any newer companies costs.

If we can keep our level of automation under wraps. Automation is expensive. At the same time if you can move the production output fast enough. The input costs can be recovered reasonably fast. With automation you can run 24/7. With far less issues that trying to stay at one shift per day situation as production demand increases. That forces you otherwise to increase overhead costs substantially.

The concept that a society can benefit overall from automation is a reality.As long as those that own it can be forced to share the profits it can enable. If the owners get to keep the vast majority of them. Speaks volumes of what may come to pass. If most of the rewards of automation are kept by the owners of it. It works for awhile until there are no customers with any money.

China is well underway with automation of production. Under their system the benefits are and will be shared with the population. North America is not really ready for automation of production. Under that scenario.

In my case I buy the machines and the money they make as profit. Most is retained by our family. We call China a communist state. It may well be this. Yet at the same time it is becoming socialistic as well. With the probable exception of Hong Cong.

[Autoputzer]

Originally Posted by oldsinner111

what gets me is,they eat,steak,lobster,prime rib,lamb,fruits,things working people can't buy. And think they deserve it,all both sides do is fight,never create bills,just stir crap.

Lobster is tasty. So is prime rib.

My parents lived in Newfoundland in the 1950's. They had more lobster than they could get rid of up there then. My parents ate lobster like "working people" eat hamburger.

[barry12345]

The history of lobster consumption in the Canadian maritimes is interesting. If you were going to have it for supper. You locked the doors and closed the kitchen windows off with curtains or blinds.

You were considered destitute if found consuming them.. Instead it was common to use them as garden fertilizer.

Today they exist just off the beach at our cottage. The fine if I grab a few is substantial. .

Personally I like Halibut and the wife prepares lobster thermador for us on occasion. She does not like lobster herself.

Sitting back on the patio deck with the sun dropping. The waves crashing on the beach. With the warm summer breeze blowing. With a bowl of the lobster thermador and a beer or two. Watching the long legged Cranes and Blue Herrons flying in ground effect over the water.

Wondering if it ever really gets any better than this..

One son in law makes a sea food chowder.That goes well beyond anything I have ever experienced before as well. Rich in lobster, scallops and other things. Summer and seafood are a typical scenario in the Canadian maritimes.