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Old 02-15-2020, 11:22 PM
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Nope. Separated at birth, a cat rarely becomes an effective hunter. It will almost certainly be aggressive, but that's different from hunting. A cat learns to hunt when its mother brings home half-dead prey and allows the kittens to play with it (they are really cruel, you'd probably want to stop it if you ever saw it.) The behavior is learned in the first couple of months of life. Your cat may have thought you were doing that with the deer, but I bet it never figured out how to draw a bow.



If you have a good mouser, he/she will try to teach you to hunt by dropping live mice at your feet every now and then, just as its mother did. If your story was that the cat caught a deer and deposited it half-dead at your feet, then I'd say instinctive.
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Old 02-16-2020, 12:04 AM
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I agree that ordinary sized cats might be reluctant to take on a full size rat. I imagine a big tom would not hesitate though.
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Old 02-16-2020, 05:05 AM
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Feral cats raised by feral mothers would likely be better hunter of rats than domesticated cats accustomed to high quality meat meals, delivered regularly. I've been around quite a few cats that showed little interest in hunting rats.

One of my client's cats is younger and bigger than the other, she will now and then bring in a rat the lady tells me. But she looks pretty lazy most of the time. And she obviously didn't get the rats that ate the hoses. Their lot is about an acre, sort of longish. The cars are outside, always, the garage is a weight lifting gym. This couple are Polish weighlifting champs. Not heavyweights. A few age group world records. The toney people of silicon valley pay them large to teach them how to be strong and gorgeous.

The cars are parked a good walk away from the back door, where the cat door and the food is. I suspect the engine dwelling rats come and go w/o encountering the cats.
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Old 02-16-2020, 06:25 AM
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Nope. Separated at birth, a cat rarely becomes an effective hunter. It will almost certainly be aggressive, but that's different from hunting. A cat learns to hunt when its mother brings home half-dead prey and allows the kittens to play with it (they are really cruel, you'd probably want to stop it if you ever saw it.) The behavior is learned in the first couple of months of life. Your cat may have thought you were doing that with the deer, but I bet it never figured out how to draw a bow.



If you have a good mouser, he/she will try to teach you to hunt by dropping live mice at your feet every now and then, just as its mother did. If your story was that the cat caught a deer and deposited it half-dead at your feet, then I'd say instinctive.
Nonsense. Ive had dozens of cats over the years and mousing is instinctive. Show me data that supports they need to be trained by their mothers.
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^Agreed. I have 4 cats of differant ages..no rats or mice where I live..but there are lizards and the occasional snake.

ALL intruders to my home, be it reptile, insect are swiftly dispatched.
I sleep well knowing these four are on constant gaurd at night.

I believe its instinct..nothing to do with what the mother taught..or did not teach.
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Nonsense. Ive had dozens of cats over the years and mousing is instinctive. Show me data that supports they need to be trained by their mothers.

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Old 02-16-2020, 10:55 AM
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I was in a household once where a couple of kittens came home with someone, kittens that had been taken from their mother too soon we discovered. Weird cats.

I think the instinct to follow small moving things and trying to catch them is instinctive, chasing and killing mice and rats on a regular basis seems to be a step further. One hears about cats who are not 'good mousers.'
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I agree that ordinary sized cats might be reluctant to take on a full size rat. I imagine a big tom would not hesitate though.
You got that right. My farmer neighbor stole my big tom cuz he was the only cat that would go after his rats, he is over a mile from here. No rats here. I did see a dead one of unknown origin in the 80's. He did give me a fine replacement cat that is a fine predator and a real people person.
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Old 02-16-2020, 04:44 PM
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Feral cats raised by feral mothers would likely be better hunter of rats than domesticated cats accustomed to high quality meat meals, delivered regularly. I've been around quite a few cats that showed little interest in hunting rats.

One of my client's cats is younger and bigger than the other, she will now and then bring in a rat the lady tells me. But she looks pretty lazy most of the time. And she obviously didn't get the rats that ate the hoses. Their lot is about an acre, sort of longish. The cars are outside, always, the garage is a weight lifting gym. This couple are Polish weighlifting champs. Not heavyweights. A few age group world records. The toney people of silicon valley pay them large to teach them how to be strong and gorgeous.

The cars are parked a good walk away from the back door, where the cat door and the food is. I suspect the engine dwelling rats come and go w/o encountering the cats.
Actually rats not mice? They need to relocate the cat base (feeding and what not) to the parking area. They could start trapping near the parking
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Just finished repairing the knock sensor wiring harness (under the intake) on a 2012 E350. Rats had a nest built and had eaten all the way through the copper wiring going to #1 bank knock sensor.
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Old 02-16-2020, 05:30 PM
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Just finished repairing the knock sensor wiring harness (under the intake) on a 2012 E350. Rats had a nest built and had eaten all the way through the copper wiring going to #1 bank knock sensor.
You know how large a rat is? Real rats or mice?
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Old 02-16-2020, 11:17 PM
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Well that doesnt match your original comment. Bottom line (and your video agrees) hunting is instinctive, and practice makes perfect.

A cat with minimal opportunity to chase prey will likely not be a good mouser, yes. A cat that can get the practice in can and is often an excellent mouser.

Kittens dont need a mother cat to play with live prey, they do that instinctively. Will an adult cat providing prey initially make the learning curve easier? I agree there yes, but where we disagree is the necessity of that step. All they need is a target rich environment to excel at mousing, like my house.
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You know how large a rat is? Real rats or mice?
For a couple years in college poverty i lived behind a popular rib place. I have never gone back there even decades later after seeing some of the monstrous rats running around the streets behind that place.

I mistook them for cats all the time until i did a double take.
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Old 02-17-2020, 12:38 PM
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Old 02-18-2020, 12:20 AM
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The rats I see around here are maybe 5 to 7 inches long, not counting the tale. Mice are quite a bit smaller.

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