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merc lover 02-28-2020 10:50 AM

Dieselgate
 
When the Volkswagen diesel gate story first broke, Mercedes Benz had just sent a cargo ship packed with brand new Mercedes Benz diesel automobiles bound for the United States. They ordered the ship to make a 180 and come back to Germany to unload the cars.

As far as I'm aware, today and now there are no diesel automobiles offered for sale by any manufacturer in these United States.

Volkswagen settlement Germany - Bing

Mxfrank 02-28-2020 10:59 AM

I took in a VW Dieselgate orphan. With love, kindness, and careful attention, they make great cars.

Autoputzer 02-28-2020 11:00 AM

The NOx problem got solved with DEF. VW's scam was to avoid having to put DEF systems on their four-cylinder diesels. VW's Dieselgate could have been a boone to M-B and BMW.

It's the nano-soot problem that's now killing the diesels.

merc lover 02-28-2020 11:30 AM

While DOT and EPA are wringing their hands over the VW "nano-soot" problem, these morons have WAY too much time on their hands:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xf25OwYuE3o

tjts1 02-28-2020 02:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by merc lover (Post 4013904)

As far as I'm aware, today and now there are no diesel automobiles offered for sale by any manufacturer in these United States.

As far as I'm aware, you're wrong.
https://cars.usnews.com/cars-trucks/best-diesel-cars

Unfortunately diesels are now more expensive to own and operate than modern gasoline, hybrid or electric vehicles. Diesel is dead because economics, not dieselgate.
https://i.imgur.com/LIppx4t.jpg

Mxfrank 02-28-2020 03:45 PM

It’s running about the same as premium in the NE, varies with the heating oil season.

merc lover 02-28-2020 04:07 PM

I'm still trying to figure out how they are going to replace heavy diesel powered construction equipment, i.e. road graders, D9 caterpillar tractors, etc along with diesel powered semi-tractor trucks with "alternative fuels".


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=42CFGwtk5rk

t walgamuth 02-28-2020 05:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Autoputzer (Post 4013912)
The NOx problem got solved with DEF. VW's scam was to avoid having to put DEF systems on their four-cylinder diesels. VW's Dieselgate could have been a boone to M-B and BMW.

It's the nano-soot problem that's now killing the diesels.

They had a problem with the six cylinder diesels too.

t walgamuth 02-28-2020 05:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by merc lover (Post 4014041)
I'm still trying to figure out how they are going to replace heavy diesel powered construction equipment, i.e. road graders, D9 caterpillar tractors, etc along with diesel powered semi-tractor trucks with "alternative fuels".


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=42CFGwtk5rk

Apparently, they will eventually be electric. If Tesla can do a semi every other engine could be electric too I imagine.

tjts1 02-28-2020 06:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by t walgamuth (Post 4014062)
Apparently, they will eventually be electric. If Tesla can do a semi every other engine could be electric too I imagine.

Imagine a construction site that doesn't constantly reek of diesel fumes. With sub $100/kw batteries now available it's only a matter of time.

Air&Road 02-28-2020 09:20 PM

VW really screwed it up for the diesel lovers. I love diesels, but I don’t drive one any more because today’s injected gas engines are virtually as good as a diesel. If I were still a diesel driver I wouldn’t be a happy camper.

Mxfrank 02-28-2020 10:05 PM

If you think about how construction equipment is used, you don't need a high revving engine. The enormous stall torque of an electric motor is more useful.

t walgamuth 02-28-2020 10:35 PM

Sounds good.


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