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FCBayernFTW 05-28-2020 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by oldsinner111 (Post 4051398)
so I quess if someone airburst a nuke 200 miles up,we could not launch ICBM's cause of electricity in the air. when did our country turn sissy over everything?


This isn’t a war? [emoji2369]

ILUVMILS 05-28-2020 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by pj67coll (Post 4050947)
It's the same now as it was back in the 60's. Not losing out to our enemies in global dominanance is the selling point. ROI is merely an incidental side benifet.

- Peter.

Speaking of ROI, other than a government subsidy of 5 billion or so Space X has been privately funded......

davidmash 05-28-2020 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by oldsinner111 (Post 4051398)
so I quess if someone airburst a nuke 200 miles up,we could not launch ICBM's cause of electricity in the air. when did our country turn sissy over everything?

You get that there are people on board the rocket right?

cmac2012 05-28-2020 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by 75Sv1 (Post 4050514)
My view is that a lot of consumer products came from space exploration, including Tang. A lot of advancements also came from wars. So, the space option is a better choice.

Tang! Oh dear God, imagine life w/o Tang!

Putting satellites into orbit is the only benefit I can see. That and robotic missions. Sending people back to the moon and oneday Mars strikes me as a huge waste of money.

Re the fever to go back to the moon, the moon is about the most unpleasant place that we know of for humans and human machines. Coated with abrasive dust from hell, I understand the damned stuff hangs in the air from static electricity. Is bad for rubber seals, it adheres to boots and every other part of space suits, will be brought back in the habitable spaces and find it's way into lungs. Stuff is microscopic razor blades, having never suffered erosion and degradation from water.

The chances of finding useful/recoverable minerals are about zero and the cost of getting them up and back to earth even if they were there in good quantity is enormous.

If one assumed that we still had the space shuttle program and further that it could land on and then take off from the moon (we don't/it couldn't), further if we assumed gold bricks were neatly stacked on the surface waiting to be loaded into the hold, the value of the gold would be similar to what we used to spend just putting a shuttle into orbit and getting it back again. I did the math once, don't want to do it again.

cmac2012 05-28-2020 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by oldsinner111 (Post 4051398)
so I quess if someone airburst a nuke 200 miles up,we could not launch ICBM's cause of electricity in the air. when did our country turn sissy over everything?

If EMP resulted in ruination of electronic circuitry, sissy has nothing to do with it.

pj67coll 05-28-2020 03:55 PM

Visionaries are always scoffed at by luddites whose only concern is profit. As I said this is about something way bigger than that. The place of the United States in the future. Once humanity makes the shift to interplanetary travel those nations staring at their navels will slide inexorably into loser has been status. I'd rather not see that happen to the US while the likes of China determines what kind of future humanity has.

- Peter.

davidmash 05-28-2020 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by cmac2012 (Post 4051505)
Tang! Oh dear God, imagine life w/o Tang!

Putting satellites into orbit is the only benefit I can see. That and robotic missions. Sending people back to the moon and oneday Mars strikes me as a huge waste of money.

Re the fever to go back to the moon, the moon is about the most unpleasant place that we know of for humans and human machines. Coated with abrasive dust from hell, I understand the damned stuff hangs in the air from static electricity. Is bad for rubber seals, it adheres to boots and every other part of space suits, will be brought back in the habitable spaces and find it's way into lungs. Stuff is microscopic razor blades, having never suffered erosion and degradation from water.

The chances of finding useful/recoverable minerals are about zero and the cost of getting them up and back to earth even if they were there in good quantity is enormous.

If one assumed that we still had the space shuttle program and further that it could land on and then take off from the moon (we don't/it couldn't), further if we assumed gold bricks were neatly stacked on the surface waiting to be loaded into the hold, the value of the gold would be similar to what we used to spend just putting a shuttle into orbit and getting it back again. I did the math once, don't want to do it again.

At some point, we will probably have to leave this rock. Exploration is what man has always done. Whether it be to the depth of the ocean or the outer reaches of space. No way to know what gains will be made by doing so.

pj67coll 05-31-2020 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by davidmash (Post 4051618)
At some point, we will probably have to leave this rock. Exploration is what man has always done. Whether it be to the depth of the ocean or the outer reaches of space. No way to know what gains will be made by doing so.

Correct. It was great to watch. Fantastic job. Hope they can maintain reliability moving forward.

- Peter.

vwnate1 05-31-2020 02:50 PM

The R.O.I.
 
Typical ignorant trolling post and non question .

The R.O.I. has been huge, you're trolling using it you moron .

I miss Tang, no one carries it anymore .

tjts1 06-13-2020 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by oldsinner111 (Post 4051398)
so I quess if someone airburst a nuke 200 miles up,we could not launch ICBM's cause of electricity in the air. when did our country turn sissy over everything?

There's no air 200 miles up. The atmosphere ends 62 miles above sea level.

oldsinner111 06-30-2020 10:19 AM

yep space burst. We do need to invest on harden power,one huge flare,and its 1810 for 40 years.

oldsinner111 06-30-2020 02:30 PM

As with the bomb, science worked the math part early in the 20th century. I was poking around and found that math has proved a craft can go 1000 times the speed of light. By folding space, we have to find dark energy,not anti matter to do this. A gravity,can bend space, and time.


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