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Old 07-12-2020, 10:22 PM
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It almost works to divide 365 by 12 and get 30 days, which is close to the lunar cycle and the lunar cycle is dead-on for the average human menstrual cycle.

It works perfectly, you just don't know the full story. In the beginning, the year was 360 days long. It came to pass that Nut, goddess of the heavens, fell in love with Geb, the earth. When Ra, the sun, heard of this love, he flew into a jealous rage and decreed that Nut could not bear children on any day that he lit the sky. Nut sat by a stream and wept. By and by, her misery was observed by the wizard Thoth and it broke his heart. Thoth devised a scheme. He played a game of dice with the moon, which in those days rivaled the sun in brightness. Each time he won, he took a little of the moon's light. When the game was over, he had taken 1/72 of the moon's light. With this, he added five new days for Nut to bear her children: Osiris, Isis, Set, Horus and Nepthys. And ever since, the moon has been dimmer than the sun, and the year has had 365 days.



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Old 07-13-2020, 08:52 AM
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I keep metric and us around all the time. Most of my vehicles have both. Given the choice i'd stick with Metric. No big deal though.
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I keep metric and us around all the time. Most of my vehicles have both. Given the choice i'd stick with Metric. No big deal though.
I happen to prefer american standard when reaching for a tool. Just look at it, 3/8 or 7/16 etc. When using metric look at it looks like 3/4" head which is 25% short of 1" which 1"=25.4 so 18-19-or 20mm. I am more used to old GM and Ford wrenching than modern stuff.
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The picture is amusing but wrong, since Britian does not use the metric system. Or rather it does for some things and not others. Mostly not, and will likely backslide now since they are leaving the Uro...

As for the US. Still amazes me that the country remains so backward. Should have left the middle ages decades ago. I grew up with both in South Africa. My parents were Imperial, we were taught metric, so I am familiar with both but the Metric system is infinitely superior.

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Old 07-13-2020, 01:21 PM
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It's not any scam .

You also forgot the dreaded and wretched Whitworth system....

Before SAE established the parameters of the so-called inch/SAE system, saying "the bolt measures" 3/4 of an inch" could mean over 20 different things.
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Feet and inches are more sensible. What isn't sensible is the decimal system. Duodecimal (base 12) is the natural counting system for humans. That's why 12 hours in a day, 12 in a dozen, 12 eggs in a box, 360 degree in a circle, 60 minutes in an hour. There's a reason why so many of our measurements are base 12.

First, where it comes from. Hold up your hand. Using your thumb, count the joints on your four fingers. 12. it's faster to count on your joints, and you can count higher. From there, accumulate 12's on your other hand. You can accumulate five 12's, or 60. Or you can accumulate 12 12's, or 144.

This system of counting goes back at least to the Babylonians. It was used by the Egyptians and Greeks. The Romans weren't 'rithmetricians, and had their own oddball system. But they used the Greek methods of counting for any serious engineering or accounting. Finger counting systems based on duodecimal arithmetic became very sophisticated, and there's a method of duodecimal finger computation that is similar to an abacus. For larger sums, a stone table with reliefs for each digit was used in conjunction with differnt color pebbles for counting and computation. Thus our word "counter", and the greek word "trapeza" (bank).

This world pretty much evaporated in the dark ages, during which Europe managed to unlearn two millenia of mathematics. During the late middle ages, arithmetic was gradually reintroduced from India by way of Arab traders. The indians used the decimal system, augmented by the invention of zero. Which sounds odd, but you can't count to zero on your fingers. So it's not an intuitive idea. Classical mathematics survived only in measurement systems, while the usurping decimal system conquered the western world.

So I'm all for metrication, but based on duodecimal. Bring back the classics. The only other alternative is to decimalize time and triangles, to be consistent

This certainly explains why Europeans sell eggs in cartons of ten.
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This certainly explains why Europeans sell eggs in cartons of ten.

Can't count to twelve. Sad.
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The old inch foot pounds measuring is slowly constantly eroding. Not much doubt about it. A few things will persist of the old in north America of course. Yet overall it continues to decline.
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I haven't heard anyone mention it yet, but the US government runs on metric as well.

The Metric Conversion Act of 1975 made the metric system the preferred system for the United States but allowed for the continued use of customary units for all activities.

You can thank Reagan for the bullheaded move of stopping the metrication of the US.
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I haven't heard anyone mention it yet, but the US government runs on metric as well.

The Metric Conversion Act of 1975 made the metric system the preferred system for the United States but allowed for the continued use of customary units for all activities.

You can thank Reagan for the bullheaded move of stopping the metrication of the US.
Just what I thought. It is Reagans fault we still call a gallon of milk a gallon of milk. Oh honey could you go and pick up three point seven eight liters of milk on your way home.
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Just what I thought. It is Reagans fault we still call a gallon of milk a gallon of milk. Oh honey could you go and pick up three point seven eight liters of milk on your way home.
It's Reagan's fault that we haven't converted to sensible units in most industries.

Perhaps you didn't bother reading that the act of Congress allowed for customary units to continue to be used.
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Old 07-16-2020, 09:36 AM
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It's Reagan's fault that we haven't converted to sensible units in most industries.

Perhaps you didn't bother reading that the act of Congress allowed for customary units to continue to be used.
What happened between 1992 and 2016 in that regard? Other than Joe in the Senate and as VP for fourteen of those years.

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North America had a much larger manufacturing base in the 1970s. Retooling totally for metric would have been too costly. Also they perhaps thought in error. Remaining non metric may have favored north America.

I consider the real tangible decline of north America got really rolling starting in about 1980. I could see it at the time but most really did not.

This was also about the time to retain the image of decent living standards. Started to require steadily increasing debt loading as a constant band aid. Or enabler.

The trend has continues unabated so far. The accumulating debt at all levels of government and at the consumer level. Becoming really atrocious. Few want to do a real balance sheet.

We seem to have systematically been building a financial house of cards in the process. Common sense and a sense of balance have gone out the window.

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