LOL --- you have never lived on a farm

I got your LOL right here pal. I milked cows in Florida for a few months in 1973. Strange stuff. It was a primitive dairy, they didn’t have elevated stalls, everything was on a flat concrete, not completely flat of course, slanted for drainage of spray water. They put antibiotics in the feed. It’s a brutal business, the cows’ utters are so big that a lot of them, most of them for all I know, eventually ruined their teets by stepping on them. Numerous cows only had two or three teets still working. At some point it was off to the knacker man. Cows did not want to get on that truck.

As is often the case, your “response” is not useful. Human beings have been stupid for a long time. I was incredibly stupid for a long time regarding food. I had a Häagen-Dazs habit for years, a pint a day for a long time.

Oh well, no time like the present, I am getting pretty healthy if I do say so myself. I took a yoga class yesterday for the first time in years (I do my own chi gong practice, It’s useful, very good actually but not as demanding as a good hatha yoga class). OMG That was a workout. The teacher is a remarkable athlete, and a babe to boot. There are some serious hottees in that class.

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Good post. I’ve been hearing about Loma Linda. There is a gadfly/crank on the web named Matt Cook who has researched communities with long life spans, he speaks of Loma Linda. I didn’t know what to make of Cook at first, more and more I am impressed.

Supplements are a challenge. I’ve often wondered about just how much we can know about the powder in those damn things. That said, I don’t think it’s all crap, one needs to research the companies pretty well. The SAM-e product that your friend had could very well have been crap. The reputable stuff is supposed to be useful. I get mine at Costco. It’s been widely researched in Europe and has a good reputation even in the medical community.

But I think an important rule of thumb is well said by Michael Pollan:

“Eat food, not too much, mostly plants.”

He says the first two words are perhaps the most important. So much stuff out there talking about enhanced protein, this or that additive. I don’t think all of it is bad, but a lot of it is.

It is interesting about fecal transplants making people healthy. Who would’ve thought, “eat ****“ not necessarily a horrible slur and nothing else.

I agree, antibiotics must be used very springly. A couple of times they have really helped me. Once I beat up a little finger pretty bad with a big drill, the bit bound up, I was drilling in a tight place, it whipped around and smashed my finger and good. I didn’t do the proper first aid apparently and had a horrible infection for more than a month it hurt to put my hand in my pocket. Finally I went to the doctor and some antibiotics cleared it up in a few days.

That said, after use of the stuff, one should really get into probiotics and pre-biotics to restore normality. I am a born-again health nut on the latter. I’ve been helped a lot by Dr. Mark Hyman. He’s been big in the movement to introduce healthy fats more into the diet, displacing some carbohydrates. He introduced me to the resistant starch concept.

More later, it’s late.

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I was on about this: But it does make 'mericans plump up to about 200 pounds by late adulthood

True enough. Ain’t Mother Nature great?

Getting back to the business about supplements and whether or not they’re worth a damn, I’ve noticed that some of the people pushing supplements on the web are also dispensing valid information in the little promo vids. You know it’s just a matter of time before they point out that there’s a supplement that can deal with the syndrome they’re talking about better than all the rest, but I’ve studied this stuff enough to know, or at least think I do, what is legitimate info and what isn’t.

AFAIK, it’s accepted in a lot of circles that milk protein exacerbates arthritis. It creates inflammation, without rhyme or reason. Inflammation is generally good for when you have an injury, it’s part of the healing process, it provides scar tissue where needed. But broadly induced inflammation leads to scar tissue where you don’t need it or that’s my take, I only play a medical researcher on the interwebs.

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But, but, CHEESE knowutimean ? .

I got off the milk train long long ago and it helped my health greatly .

I still sometimes miss a nice bowl or raisin bran or other fiber product with milk but what the hell .

I had my first cheeseburger of the year Saturday last, it was okay but I don't think I'll have another one any time soon .

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1982 240D 408,XXX miles
Ignorance is the mother of suspicion and fear is the father

I did then what I knew how to do ~ now that I know better I do better

I also try to help my gut bacteria by eating resistant starches that supposedly make it to the large intestines - green bananas, etc....

Another thing I do, is eat a few ' going bad vegies and fruits '. I figure if they are a little bit brown they contain bacteria that is digesting them and hoping that adds to the natural bacteria in my gut.

I think we were lucky growing up in poor rural area. Most food came from local farms, ranches, and home gardens.

I used to love cheese. I have it very rarely now, now and then I’ll get a beer and rice taco with cheese at my favorite Taqueria.

About a year and a half ago I inexplicably went through a two week binge on burgers. Sort of strange, I hadn’t had one in years. I was having one every other day. I’m glad I let go of that one in a hurry.

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Our digestive systems are identical to gorillas. There is no organ that we have that they don’t have and vice versa. Our metabolisms are somewhat different though.

Apparently the reason their guts are so big is they have a massive colon that is constantly fermenting fiber. They are reputed to be pound for pound the strongest of the megafauna on earth.

It’s estimated that our paleo ancestors for hundreds of thousands of years got a lot more resistant starch than we modern people. The roots that they ate were a big part of that.

IOW our digestive tracts and metabolism evolved in the presence of resistant starch for a long time.

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Yes, I still love it ~ today I was out in the Desert fooling with a murky cooling system and spotted a "Black Bear Diner", sopped in for a nice Cobb salad and they offered me blue cheese......

How could I say no ? .

I better sleep alone tonight God knows I play the tuba when I sleep .

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-Nate
1982 240D 408,XXX miles
Ignorance is the mother of suspicion and fear is the father

I did then what I knew how to do ~ now that I know better I do better

Hope for the win!

Hope Buell that is. If I have t choose a method for burning off belly fat, I choose Hope

I have not been following my own thread will have to come back and give the newer posts a read.

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A seller of supplements on the web, Umzu, strikes me as doing legitimate research and offering good products. They have a probiotic blend that is interesting. He cites research evidence that two probiotics in particular, lactobacillus Rhamnosus and Reuteri are useful for male sexual health and vitality. A video at the link describes the research on that.

https://tinyurl.com/2p8bh868

The stuff can be found for less at Amazon, from the Swanson brand. I bought a few months worth of it from Umzu, I figured they alerted me to it, wouldn’t hurt to pay some homage. Their blend has more components than the Swanson product.

Doing the resistant starch regimen means that you don’t need to take probiotics all that often anyway. You can cultivate your own intestinal blend and keep it healthy.

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