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Old 02-22-2021, 01:23 PM
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I work in the electric industry. and I'm trying to get my mind around a 'fix'.

And I cant find any, short of a government takeover of the electric grid (which I'm sure some here would advocate)
Any regulation will get watered down or implemented badly (does Ohio need The same freeze protection as Texas ?)
All of these companies are profit motivated, so they wont hire more people or install more systems unless legally compelled to do so.

I'm not sure how natural gas suppliers were doing, but when was the last time anyone advocated for or against a natural gas transmission line ? how successful are those ? (even on a short/local scale)

Every state/grid operator/Utility has been closing coal plants as quickly as they can. And while wind/solar/NG has been building, the construction rates have not been equal. Grid operators ("ERCOT" in Texas and PJM where I live) have a mandate to not let utilities close down too many plants at once. How many 'extra' coal/NG plants do you want to keep open just in case we get another winter like this one ? or better yet:

How many people are coal plant emissions killing ?
vs.
people that would otherwise have died from no electricity in Texas ?
vs
people that just die during their tree trimming jobs (the large number of tree trimmers is born of a mandate that we avoid another 2003 Northeast Blackout)

I dont have any good answers.

I look forward to seeing numbers for TX - Maybe Utilities and Grid operators will have good science to back up if they want to ask their states for more money (for people, equipment, heat tracing....)

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Old 02-22-2021, 08:46 PM
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It seems to me that a diesel fueled generator would be safer than natural gas or propane since both are flammable.
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Old 02-24-2021, 02:17 PM
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It seems to me that a diesel fueled generator would be safer than natural gas or propane since both are flammable.
It would be if the owner remembered to treat their diesel supply with anti-gel during the winter.

The great part about propane is unless you have a leak it will be there when you need it. I don't know the freezing point of propane. I am sure it has one.

Starting a diesel or gasoline engine on propane is a challenge. The industrial units I have seen have one source or the other to start and switch over to propane after they are warmed up.

Also when such a unit is shut down someone has to remember to charge the fuel lines with the diesel or gas and flush the propane out of the fuel system. Otherwise they will be tough to start the next time.
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Old 02-24-2021, 02:28 PM
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The city of Chicago leased their parking meters to an outside source. Not a single republican alderman okayed the deal, all dems, (there are no R aldermen). They got five years or so of revenue for a seventy five year lease. They blew through that money faster than shoot goes through a goose buying votes. That is the Dem way to do things.
A funny story.....

Rick Perry, when he was governor of Texas, cut a deal with a Spanish company to build a lot of tollways. They had a state wide exclusive deal for 99 years. I think they own the one in Fort Worth.

They built a road to bypass Austin. I-35 bypass starts at Georgetown, north of Austin, and goes to San Antonio. This is about 100 miles. This road has a number but it is just known as the bypass.

I love this road. The speed limit is 85 mph and it is worth it, to me, to blow the extra $15 it costs. But most people are not the big spender that I am so the road went bankrupt.

The state was supposed to take over. I don't know how it finally shook out but the state figured at the rate it was being used it would take around 500 years to break even. Meanwhile, the state gets to pick up the bills.

Yup, that's how those republicans are. Blowing money left and right.
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Old 02-25-2021, 01:21 PM
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Black ice is the big issue we had here. We dipped below freezing on Wednesday. Started freezing rain on Thursday and lasted through Saturday. We got a solid 1/2" of ice on every surface, including roadways. Sunday night we got 5-6" of snow which of course stuck to everything. Having lived here for 25+ years, the roads have NEVER frozen over and collected snow like this. We've had ice, but it usually lasts less than 24 hours. The snow isn't the problem, it's the ice layer under it that's shut EVERYTHING down in our area.



A lot of folks don't realize that you need a preheater/vaporizer on LP-fed generator sets. In cold weather, the temperature of the tank will drop to the point that you're pulling gel instead of vapor from the tank. A LOT of people around here found that out when their generators started for 5 minutes or so then died due to the cold.
Propane is used all over coldest North America at very cold temperatures with no problems. Gel? are you serious? What temp do you figure can gel propane?
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Old 02-25-2021, 02:54 PM
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Propane boils at -43°F and becomes a liquid at -44°F. It will freeze at -306.4°F. If it is that cold fuel for your generator is the least of your problems.
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Old 02-25-2021, 05:02 PM
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If it gets below freezing outside the vaporization slows and the pressure drops. Makes equipment hard to start. The converter needs a certain amount of input pressure to convert to the pressure the mixer requires.
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Old 02-26-2021, 12:06 PM
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After Hurricane Sandy left NJ in the dark, sales of nat/gas whole house generators soared. Auto-start, integrated switch-over, endless fuel supply, and automatic periodic test runs made it a no-brainer for many people.
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Old 02-26-2021, 12:26 PM
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A funny story.....

Rick Perry, when he was governor of Texas, cut a deal with a Spanish company to build a lot of tollways. They had a state wide exclusive deal for 99 years. I think they own the one in Fort Worth.

They built a road to bypass Austin. I-35 bypass starts at Georgetown, north of Austin, and goes to San Antonio. This is about 100 miles. This road has a number but it is just known as the bypass.

I love this road. The speed limit is 85 mph and it is worth it, to me, to blow the extra $15 it costs. But most people are not the big spender that I am so the road went bankrupt.

The state was supposed to take over. I don't know how it finally shook out but the state figured at the rate it was being used it would take around 500 years to break even. Meanwhile, the state gets to pick up the bills.

Yup, that's how those republicans are. Blowing money left and right.
Whats funny about that? What the Dems in Chicago IL did was give away cash cow that was already in place away for 75 years for a few years of revenue at once. At least Gov. Perry got a road built for it, and maybe even maintained by the recipient of those tolls. That was as they say a win/win.

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