Black or white does not matter. Pretty illegal when no evidence of the officer being under serious threat. Once again with the video not very subjective. Years ago without it this may have just gotten a pass basically.

Subjects intent obviously was just to get away. Obviously even to the officer.

Judging by the problems growing the amount of lawlessness in the society is also growing.

I choose not to do illegal things to start with. I am wondering what is really going on out there? A lack of common sense is all too typical. The officer could have shot into the ground. It might have stopped the struggle.

Twisted kids with guns are an erupting problem in Canada right now. So far there seems to be no methods to slow it down. People pushing others off of subway platforms is als0 becoming more frequent. A lot of essentially brainless activities are noticeably increasing.

Strange days all right. People don’t have enough faith in themselves and others to have confidence that they can meet their needs honestly through fair exchange of labor.

I thought of a weird analogy. Whenever people talk about migrating to the stars I point out that it will likely take hundreds of years more like 1000 years plus to get just to the nearest star. My next thought is, can you imagine trying to raise children on a spaceship, no matter how big it is? They don’t know why their parents left earth or what it was like, they don’t have a good idea of what they might gain at their destination.

In an odd way, I see kids these days a little bit like that. They don’t understand where they came from, frequently they have no father figure that can teach them skills. They do have needs and desires however and anger at the world when they aren’t fulfilled as they would like.

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An unarmed black guy not threatening anyone, what did you think was going to happen?

News Flash.... The po-leese are allowed to arrest suspected criminals, even if they're Black.

To accomplish the arrest of Patrick Lyoya, the officer first attempted to use a TASER. That was ineffective, and the suspect attempted to take the TASER away from the officer. So, out came the Glock, SIG-Sauer, Smith & Wesson, Colt, H&K, or whatever make of pistol the officer had.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CChWHSxg1sg

The cop was wrestling with Patrick Lyoya when he shot him When an armed officer is in a wrestling match with a suspect, he's in mortal danger because there's a chance that the suspect will get the officer's gun away from him. If an officer is in danger, he has the right to use deadly force. The back of Lyoya's head just happened to be a convenient, safe, effective place to shoot him.

Here's the big picture that you three geniuses still don't get. If you get in a fight with a cop, the cop is almost always going to win, either by using his or her weapons and/or by calling some cop friends to join the fight.

That cop was taking care of cop business. He chose not to pussyfoot around and wait for back up. There's also probably one less unrecovered stolen car in Grand Rapids now.

Lyoya had plenty of chances to stay alive, but chose not to take them.

Maybe if Lyoya didn't have his pants hanging down below his ass he could have run faster and got away.

I think the media spins and selectively reports incidents to incite the public as well as people posting on social media. One does not hear about the 1000's of incidents officers are involved in on a daily basis. Being a law enforcement officer is an extremely stressful job and they are under great scrutiny. Of course, as in any profession, there are individuals that should be in an office and not interacting with the public.

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More than one person a week that is stopped in a traffic violation or just stopped. With no weapons. Results in their death. Statistics are kept even if not used. This should perhaps be compared to police officers deaths doing traffic stops. With unarmed people.

There are no records of. Just how many people with no weapons that are stopped and are shot but do not die?

It possibly is just a product of the culture. Of both the police officers and the general public.

The statistics of what happens when you grab a cop's TASER are pretty clear... You''re gonna die.

Even though I'm white I know better than to mess with the police .

I was incarcerated when young, the stupidity of most of my jail mates was simply astounding, then as now .

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I wonder if the officer had any proof of a felony was involved? Before the individual ran. I would expect that vehicle had better turn out to be a theft.

At this point I am not even certain the claim of the wrong plates is certain. I did notice that the officials claimed that there was going to be a long investigation involved. Before anything was told to the public. The guy did have actual physical possession of the taser when shot?

Things are getting very strange in the last while. In Toronto a guy hit and killed a woman this week. Then left the scene. No connection to each other existed.

Five people are being charged for the hit and run. The car appears to be a white Mercedes with only front seats. In the captured video of the incident. Have to wait and see what the charges are. Maybe the car had a back seat? We will see. About the only thing that would make sense. It was a convertable with the top down.

You're not kidding ~

In So. Cal. we have daily random shootings and the traffic accidents are off the hook, not always the same old usual drunk drivers either but many more cars flipped over and hitting things going close to 100MPH, no seat belts of course....

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1982 240D 408,XXX miles
Ignorance is the mother of suspicion and fear is the father

I did then what I knew how to do ~ now that I know better I do better

Random shootings are growing steadily it seems. Far from California as well. Pretty much becoming a north American thing. I looked at the English system of sending convicts to Australia. It seemed to work out well over the years it existed. It permanently removed risks to society at very low cost. The convicts had to fend for themselves. There was no getting back to England.

My first thought was there is no place to do it that way left in the world. Then I remembered the population of Norfolk Island is reducing at a fast rate. The few remaining could be brought out. It pretty much is in the middle of nowhere. Has a good climate and could be policed with one fixed overhead satailite. Against attempts to build boats and escape. They fend for themselves or perish. As it is today there really is no justice for victims.

Also it does away with the high cost of incarceration and removes a certain type of criminal permanently. Who knows how effective it might be at reducing crime? Unless it is attempted. Those going would have to know they would work hard there or not survive. With no communication allowed or media involvement.

A one way ticket to a place like that might reduce crime. No cellphones cable or internet permitted. Self governing for good or bad. No women allowed. If I was a criminal facing that as a possibility. I would really think things over before acting. Specific punishment for crimes there seems to be no way to stop the growth of them.

Too radical or extreme today? Some problems have to be stopped. Armed criminals on the streets to start with. Genetically or enviromentally they have no compassion or empathy for other human beings basically. Plus only expand the genetic pool in our current system. Allowing a sub culture almost free reign in society is risky.

Automatic one way ticket for possession of handgun in public. Unless you have a valid permit. To get a permit you must have a mental health screening. Sometimes it takes mass public demonstrations to get solutions to problems. Other than that evasions to changes and basically the same old same old persist. Public safety is too important to eliminate. State of society in north America now? Wealthy people need security services and many move to countries where it is not an issue.

In Canada you can see almost an exponential growth in the problem. Existing laws cannot cope with it. If caught in the streets now you get a court date in a couple of years and get bailed out until then. Unless you have shot someone already and been apprehended. Kind of stupid to allow that potential to exist and grow. Yet that is exactly what has been done.

The standard pablum from the butthurt world. Looks to me as though the guy was trying to arm himself. He was damn sure resisting arrest.

I read remarks: “the officer yelled at him!” As if the officer escalated the incident. He yelled at him to stay in the car. Not sure how that message has not gotten around to the public. When pulled over by a cop - stay in your car until instructed otherwise.

The car had incorrect plates, the guy was acting evasive from the get-go. And our bro here says “not threatening anyone.”

No, that’s incorrect - that type of behavior threatens cops from the very beginning. Thank God we have our two ambulance chasers in chief, Sharpton and Crump on the job, explaining to us that this poor innocent, unarmed man, who was just minding his own business was shot and killed by a police officer who yelled at him.

Witness to police shooting of Patrick Lyoya knew encounter would end badly

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Yes there are cops who shoot without provocation, this wasn't one of those .

With freedom comes great responsibility ~ the naysayers should use this as a teaching tool : if you choose this path, be ready to accept the consequences .

No two ways about it, this fool pretty much asked to die .

A sad thing but them's the facts jack .

I see no upside to this .

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-Nate
1982 240D 408,XXX miles
Ignorance is the mother of suspicion and fear is the father

I did then what I knew how to do ~ now that I know better I do better

Rationality has gone out the window on these things. The deceased had a record for auto theft, the officer essentially caught him in the act, the guy didn’t want to be caught, did not want to be arrested.

I watched a brief snippet of his funeral and read remarks, a common refrain was “we want justice.” What was the cop supposed to do? Let him go? Let the guy take his Tayser? Then what, take his gun?

USA Today headlined one article thusly:

At least they didn’t say “hunted him down like a dog and lynched him.”

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Yes, he could have let the guy flee and catch him later....wrong plate? I have done that plenty.

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