Here's an excerpt of Marx and Engles' Communist Manifesto. The comments in parinthesis are observations by Neal Boortz (www.boortz.com) concerning how SIMILAR our US government is becoming to the "communist ideal". We're headed there folks...when are we going to VOTE and spread the word and DO something about it?

Pretty scary. Of course you liberals won't be bothered much by it, will you?...


1. Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes.
(the largest landowner in the U.S. is the Imperial Federal Government)

2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.
(The U.S. has a heavy progressive income tax. Russia has a flat tax.)

3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance.
(Death taxes -- strip families of inheritance rights)

4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.
(Forfeiture laws and heavy taxes on those who move their wealth outside of the U.S.)

5. Centralization of credit in the banks of the state, by means of a national bank with state capital and an exclusive monopoly.
(The Federal Reserve)

6. Centralization of the means of communication and transport in he hands of the state.
(The primary means of communication in this country today is radio and television -- controlled by the FCC)

7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the state; the bringing into cultivation of waste lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.
(Commerce and Agriculture Departments)

8. Equal obligation of all to work. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture.

9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of all the distinction between town and country by a more equable distribution of the populace over the country.

10. Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children's factory labor in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production, etc.
(Do I really need to put a note here?)


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Exposing the federal government for what it really is!

Thanks for the info. Pretty scary.

Yup, and only 36% of the citizens of this country could be bothered to excercise their right to vote at the miderm elections. Complacency is pretty scary isn't it?

This is just silly, kind of alarmist and stupid. All rolled into one.

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Comrade Lebenz you are an inspiration to all!!!

Another insightful and intellectual declaration from such a distinguished pseudo-leader, who once again far exceeds the levels that all the proletariat has come to expect!!! We are honored whenever any apparatchik of your stature offers his observations from the comfort of his dacha in the heart of the “State’s” forest!

Comrade Sam wonders WTF is wrong with free education?

So they own some national forests, parks, and other stuff. Hey, at least with it being publically owned, that means the public can go and enjoy said places, for a pittance (daily parking fees, etc).


The "State" ain't never gonna control the Internet.

I definitely do NOT see that happening in present-day society. The left AND the right wing would be against that little proposal.

How's Russia doing these days? Not exactly a garden spot, eh?

-Sam

Another whack-job climbs out of some rotted wood work and says:

Hi there Billy boy. I’m okay with your slam of me. After all, I slammed Mike’s commentary first. But I have to wonder if you really have a point to make or are merely jerking yourself off again by demonstrating that while you actually can put a string of words together and form sentences, you also, once again, swim in the smelly pond of having made no real point Not that in doing so you have exactly failed anyone’s expectations.

To the broader issue of this thread, if you, or anyone you know can demonstrate how to deal with a country and populace the size of the USA without ever increasing roles for government to play, stand up or sit down, as is desired, and please do so! I and my hopefully decreasing tax dollars will back you 100%. But if all you have to do is to snivel, kindly sit down and rest your ill guided fingers. Or in your case, perhaps going for another swim would be better advise.

Secondarily, if you have a problem with Marx, I suggest you take some time and study. While everyone over the age of about 5 (excluding yourself and Mike, evidently) knows that Communism is all but dead, the mention of Marx still brings those quick of mouth but slow of brain out of the wood-work, to try and say, in effect: “See this is what we are” or “...are becoming,” or even some achiever-idiots will assert: “See this is what we have become!” But to anyone who actually thinks that saying the USA is becoming a nation of commies, or even a nation lead by folks with commy tendencies is both pretty dang silly and stupid. I’m not sure you really are that stupid. And due to this, I have to guess that by your implied support of Mike, your real goal is nothing other than to have your squeaky and warbling voice be part of the herd, so to say...(snicker).

So tell me Billy boy, where do you stand, or slither, as needs be, on the topic of the USA becoming communist? Or better yet, lets talk about Marx, shall we? Perhaps we can even discuss what Marx was writing about in 19th century and how it applies, or doesn’t, to the 21st century.

Yes, I know it is far easier, and more fun, just to criticize me, but once again, this takes me back to the comment of your wanting to write something but, as is typically the case, having no point to make.....

This said, I’m off to spend the weekend in my hard earned forest retreat (the surrounding land mostly owned by Warehauser, BTW), so I urge you to spend some time and really think. It may be a first for you! Perhaps read Marx “Holy Family” (the prelude to the Communist Manifesto, for those not up on Marx) before responding. Or perhaps read his "Critique of Feuerbach." Or maybe we can really hit the target by talking about the "Communist Manifesto" and why it didn’t work in the 19th and 20th centuries and continues to not work in the 21st century. Okay, the 19th century part should be an easy one.....

To quote: Aqualung my friend, don’t you whine away uneasy. You poor old SOB, you see, it’s only........could be anyone!

See ya!

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Actually, that should read "strip some families of some inheritance for a short while longer." The federal estate tax exempts the first $1 million of inheritance (which pretty much excludes 98% of the American population), increasing to $3.5 million in 2009, and the tax is wholly repealed beginning in 2010.

Isn't the whole point of an offshore tax shelter that you can put your wealth there so the federal government CAN'T tax it?

I like the fact that my California dollars can buy car parts from a company in Georgia, without having to turn them into Georgia dollars first. I also like that my government (not "the" government, I vote) can use monetary policy to help encourage our economy out of recession, as opposed to fiscal policy (funded by debt or taxes) or sitting on its hands while people go out of work.

The FCC regulates public airwaves - sets rules on spectrum use, etc. The media (content) is actually owned and operated (controlled) by companies like:

Disney (Disney, ABC, ESPN, E!, Touchstone, Miramax, Buena Vista, Hollywood)

AOL Time-Warner (AOL, HBO, Cinemax, CNN, TBS Superstation, the WB, New Line, Warner Brothers, Castle Rock, Time Magazine, Looney Tunes, Sports Illustrated, People, Fortune, Money, Pop Science, Outdoor Life, Field and Stream, Road Runner Cable Internet, Atlantic Recording Corp., Elektra Entertainment)

News Corp (Fox, FX, TV Guide, NY Post, The Times, The Sun, Harper Collins)

Viacom (Paramount, CBS, UPN, mtv, VH1, Showtime, Infinity Broadcasting, Blockbuster, Simon and Schuster, Nickelodeon)

Vivendi (Universal Studios, MCA, Polygram, Motown, Decca, Geffen, GRP)

General Electric (NBC/CNBC/MSNBC, History Channel, Bravo, Telemundo)

It's a little more complicated than this, because they all own joint shares of certain ventures and operations, but basically - the government doesn't control media (more importantly, the news - ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, Fox News are all up in that list), publicly held corporations do.

Neither the Dept of Commerce nor Ag operate factories. In fact, aside from the Treasury Dept., I can't think of any government-run factory - that's what contractors are for, hence, the defence industry... As for Marx's business about "the soil" and "common plan," that statement is so vague as to include everything from laying fallow farmland to the development of land into Walmarts and condominiums.

If anything, we're becoming more of a service-based economy, with industry and ag being run by greater mechanization and fewer and fewer actual workers.

I certainly don't see this happening, what with a greater and greater portion of the population living in the cities and suburbs - and again, working in service industries, not manufacturing or ag.

"Combination of education with industrial production"??

We did do away with child labor awhile back, I'll give you that one.

-anthony

Politics, Religion, and Ethics...Three topics you don't discuss with friends because after you're done...you're not friends anymore.

I think I'll sit this one out...


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Yes, Lebenz...I guess the "alarmists" in Germany who were opposed to Hitler's rise to power were just paranoid, ignorant hicks and full of ***** too, eh?

Communism IS dead...unless you live in China...North Vietnam...I think I'll keep doing my "alarmist" part to make sure it remains OUTSIDE of the US, thank you very much. The US was founded with intentionally minimal government, as a Democratic Republic, and if you can't see how dramatically FAR we've strayed from that, then you are truly blind.

And YES, Sam, Russia is not doing so well these days....thanks to decades of socialist/communist rule and the inevitable crash-and-burn it caused! Many of the people there are NOW trying to "pull it together"...and the flat tax is a decent start!

Mike

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Yup, centrally planned economies suck. I'm not a fan.

BTW: Who is this Hitler-like figure you refer to who will rise to power and bring socialism to the United States?

I'm guessing it's NOT G.W. Bush.

-Sam

Well, that's a good sign! For more on Russia's self-improvement thru FAIR taxes:
http://www.ncpa.org/iss/tax/2002/pd112602d.html

The Democratic Party, of course! Undoubtedly aided by a few power-hungry Greens and Republicans. Read and learn...

http://www.boortz.com/demsecrets.htm
http://www.socialdemocrats.org/
http://www.dsausa.org/dsa.html
http://www.ncpa.org/~ncpa/ba/ba215.html
http://www.self-gov.org/

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THE “C” WORD
Karl Marx and Frederick Engels wrote “The Communist Manifesto” 152 years ago. Today the word “communist” is so discredited that a sequel would have to carry a completely different title. If Marx and Engles were around today they would insist that a new edition be entitled “The Progressive Manifesto,” and the name of the party would be “The Progressive Party.” Communists in our government and entertainment industries would proudly call themselves “Progressives.”

Oh, wait. I’m sorry. They’re already doing that.

Never mind.


Mike

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