Originally Posted by mikemover

??? :confused: :confused: :confused: ???

Your predilection for irrelevancy and nonsense continues.....

Mike

Originally Posted by kknudson

Mike, you are taking things to an extreme. I do not want a "gaurantee" of safety, it's a relative concept. Safer than otherwise.

And I am NOT taking your guns away, just making you register them.
And I am not saying you can't carry the gun, just not concealed. Although I also said broken down, I would consider that a negiotable position with registration.

Knives etc are not a weapon that you can kill anonymously with, you have to get fairly close. I also have a reasonable chance of defending myself, even w/o a weapon(personal record 1 in hospital, 1 badly banged up, and one dropped the knife when I nailed him with a pool cue, I used to bounce at some seedy bars) And you are much less likely to kill an innocent, THIS IS A KEY POINT to my opinion.

I realize it won't prevent the wackos, etc. But if it takes 10% off the street it's an improvement.

Punishment, extreme when appropriate. Without the gazillion appeals that clog the courts and make attorney's rich is the best solution.

There were 2 that I saw here in Chicago today, a high school senior (Straight A) killed, and a murder suicide.

Originally Posted by dculkin

I don't have any strong feelings either way on the gun issue. I think both sides overstate the importance of guns in our society. Both sides are also overly emotional in their rhetoric.

I find both sides to be disingenuous on the interpretation of the Second Amendment. Anti-gun people ignore the part about "...the right of the people to keep and bear arms..." and the pro-gun people take that language and stretch it beyond all recognition. I have never studied the issue, so I can't claim to understand the nuance of the pro-gun position, but it seems to boil down to a claim that I can own any weapons I want, including nuclear weapons, and the government can do nothing about it. The most strident pro-gun people also ignore the opening phrase, "A well regulated militia..." I don't know what that phrase means, but it must mean something.

But, as over the top as I find the pro-gun arguments, it seems to me that the Second Amendment and the liberty provisions in other parts of the Bill of Rights confer important rights to keep and bear arms. I don't appreciate those who pretend that those rights are not in the Constitution.

Having said all that, I sure used to enjoy shooting my friend's 44 magnum. A hand-held cannon. Very cool.

Originally Posted by J. R. B.

There now we're talking! The second amendment doesn't give me the right to own an A-bomb and I don't really have any desire to own a 155 howitzer. As for the "Well regulated militia" you and I are both part of it. Should our country ever be invaded the able bodied citizens will be helping our military.

Originally Posted by narwhal

To some people, keeping a connection to hunting is a very part of retaining ingrained culture. You think the importance of that is overstated? Little presumptuous maybe?

Originally Posted by dculkin

The wife would hate it, though.

Originally Posted by narwhal

My wife carries a Charter Arms .44 special in her purse :cool:

Originally Posted by dculkin

I should probably do that. The wife would hate it, though.

Originally Posted by narwhal

Yeah, she does, but she's married to a big sob logger. He is the former 2 bit ax throwing world champion. I saw him stick a beer can nailed to a tree from 50 feet on the first try.

Originally Posted by J. R. B.

I said "single". Not into adulterous affairs especially against some axe throwing King-Kong.

Originally Posted by boneheaddoctor

No that woul dbe real dumb no matter how hot she might be.... :eek:

Originally Posted by narwhal

Sorry, I missed that. But, the dude ain't real tall (like king kong), he's just a badass :eek: