PaulC, you did not use it correctly because his dogs are not being injured. They are being trained and kept from potentially cruel injuries which happen off of pet owners property.

I respectfully submit that "Electrocute" has always meant to kill or execute by electricity -- Still does per the very latest Meriam Webster Unabridged Dictionary. Injury due to electricity is correctly termed "Shock," as felt when grabbing a MBZ coil wire.
I am curious what dictionary now defines "electrocute" to include injury.
Recently I have heard the term misused (as is most news) on local news. Journalism is conceded to be the least challenging discipline in college today and the misuse of words over time leads to gradual change in meanings of words. So maybe "electrocute" is becoming less specific, changing from misuse.

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ever put a 9 volt battery on yoru toungue?

The shock mine puts out is barely more than that.

ITs more irritating than painful. the initial jolt when it kicks in is not a painful thing, but it is a shock to the system. if not ready for it, its a big surprise.

Either way, I do not consider it inhumane. Would you ocnsider it inhumane to yank on a choke collar when correcting your dog? or holding them back while they are gasping and choking from that choke collar? to me that is worse than a little tiny shock.

Alon

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Paul, are you even reading the posts... ? Do you have no REAL LIFE experience which would cause you to be aware of the terrible things which can happen to a dog,cat whatever when it is not on its owner's property ?
Have you never seen a dog laying on the highway after being hit by a car ? That is cruel..... allowing a dog to encounter machines they can not hope to understand the danger associated with them...
I have about decided you are not being honest... but are posting just trying to stir up people... No one could not understand the difference between a mild shock for training purposes and allowing real harm to come to an animal because they were not kept in a safe place....

As long as the squealing brakes aren’t followed by the thump of a Crown Victoria's bumper crushing my best friends head I am happy. I bet if he could talk he would agree. No I don’t have one because my living situation does not require one.

Paul, you are amazing.... I have 4000 ft of fence line... on one section I have hog wire too small for the two dogs next door to get through... but they dig under the wire or go 1000 feet to go around it...

Very simple less traffic and dog's still got hit and electric fences weren't available yet!

I will point out a few points here.

1. My house is not allowed to have a fence put up in front of it.

2. My house is on a major major street, that is one of the most major streets to get from West los angeles to the san fernando valley.

3. I have already lost one dog to a car running over it on my street, and that dog was trained well. he got hit saving our brand new puppies life. he would cruise the neighborhood, cross the street only when safe, and everyone who saw him begged us to have him. He once got picked up by a person who lived a mile or two away, he let the dog swim in his pool, fed him steaks, and brought him home to us, drenched, in his aston martin lagonda with suede interior. The guy did not care that the interior was ruined or stained form our dog, because he was in love with our dog.

4. one of my current dogs, got run over by a car, when he got out from the tennis court. the car hit him, and he crawled out form under the car, and proceeded to chase down a doberman.

5. our other dog, is the puppy the above mentioned dog saved. (of course that was 10 years ago)

6. our only option besides putting them on the tennis court, which we then cannot use is to lock them up in a 4 foot by 8 foot dog run.

so as you can see, the dog run is too small for two large dogs to be kept in all day and it is inhumane to me. The tennis court is going to be remodelled (painted and new canvas and lights), so we can no longer keep the dogs there, so the only option was the electric perimeter fence system.

Would it be better for us to put them down, because we cannot put up a real fence for them? I dont think so, that to me would be inhumane.

So for me, the perimeter invisible fence, is the only viable option without spending over $25,000 to get the permits and all to be allowed to build wall, which is our only other option. So what would you choose? $500 or $25,000. for us, $500 is way better than spending $25,000. Yes we will be building a wall, but in the meantime, it take a long time to get permits because our existing wall is only 3 feet high, and it does not block the dogs form leaving, as the front of the wall has plants and all going up to it, so they can just walk up and over, or in our case, they can just walk out the driveway.

We also have a flood gully behind our house, that the dogs have access to without the perimeter fence in place. the problem is that the gully is open on both ends, and the dogs can use that to get onto neighbors properties, which causes problems, because the neighbors in my area like to sue each other over the stupidest things.

Some people moved into the house next door to our neighbors, and tried to sue them for moving a pool that was built about 30 years before they moved into the house. that is the extent our neighbors go to. In fact in my neighborhood, you are lucky if you can even see or talk to a neighbor on good terms. everyone here is sue happy.

So in your opinion it is inhumane, in mine and many others, it is not inhumane, it is humane.

I respect your opinions, so please respect mine.

Alon

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Paul,

On one hand you are humanizing them and on the other hand you are saying that they would not go through serious emotional trauma being removed from their family. Let’s try and be consistent.

My dogs are not in a bad environment, they are well loved, and taken care of. If anything, you can blame the city for their lame ass requirements for putting up a wall, which not only serves as protection of our property, but as a noise barrier from the thousands of cars that drive on our street every day.

In the meantime, this method is perfectly acceptable. If the electric perimeter invisible fence was inhumane, then pet stores would not be allowed to sell it, and vets would not recommend it.

If you lived where I did, you would understand the need to keep the dogs on the property.

Believe me, if we kept them in the run it would be horrible, but keeping them on the property, with the freedom to roam around it, thats better than putting them to sleep or letting them get killed by a car, or locking them up in a small area with no room to move.

I love my dogs, and I can tell you I think a choke collar is inhumane, my dogs have never worn one, and never will. when being trained, they were trained with a normal collar.

Alon

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Ashman, Paul has shown with his over the top statements that he will never be convinced by rational real world arguments....

I have NO ANIMALS... that 1000 ft hogwire fence cost us $2700 and that was just to slow down a neighbors animals... the other 3000 feet is standard 4 wire barbed wire...

The idea that your dogs, compared to roaming the street.... are in any discomfort is just off the scale for irrational..... I give up on Paul.... and suggest we all do also.....

My gosh...........................

Alon,,,,,just enjoy the fence.

Greg, you are right on.

My hair hurts.

JCD