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Should moderators have to justify their position
Should the moderators really have to justify their position.
I say no, we are visiting their forum and using their web-resources for free. They have a few guidelines which we must adhere to. In every great society we have to have laws and rules. The people that break the laws go to jail, or in this case get banned. I believe this forum is the greatest one there is and many people, including I, learn from your example. I am a member of numerous other forums, and I have found one which has a unique policy. They have added flaming the moderator as against the rules. If your post criticizes the moderator, then it is immediately deleted and a warning sent to the offender. Now I don't think that this is necessarily the best way of doing it, but their forum is thriving and people accept the fact that the rules are there to be obeyed. What is so hard about a few rules, and do we really need the people that cannot obey them? I say lets concentrate more on the good people who respect this forum and less on a few troublemakers. Good posting everybody. |
Are you saying that outright totalitarian control on the board is better than having rules of conduct? That seems contrary to the position you have been taking.
BTW, what's that reference to a coup d'etat all about? |
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that actually made sense to me too. i don't necessarily agree but you have made your point. given your example, i would still choose the latter because if there were a mistake in a moderator's actions you will still have recourse. in a totalitarian regime you would have none. i've seen totalitarianism up close and personal and it's something i would never opt for...
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CAP"N... is that true? What in the world could you have been saying to have three threads closed on you ?
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Should moderators have to justify their position
No. This forum is a voluntary activity supported by a private enterprise. Even in publicly sponsored referendums they have moderators.
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Hard Job
I have only been moderating my forum for a little while and I try to be fair to everybody, but you just can't please everybody.
When a decision has been made, just "say so be it" and move on. There is always a better post around the corner. You should take pride when a post gets a high rating and is imitated by others. Now that is an achievement. Don't worry about the bad ones, just make a better one you can be proud of. I, for instance am proud that this post has even been debated to this point. Where else do you have the opportunity to post your opinion live on the net. Lets not forget that posting is a privilege, not a right. |
I don't think I have to justify myself for any decision made, as a moderator or a member, I am responsible for my actions and my actions alone. What I feel is that I am a member of this site first and foremost. I am only a moderator by my own choice, because it helps me give somethign back to mercedesshop for being the greatest mercedes site on the net, and for providing me with technical help. That is this sites main purpose. technical help for owners and parts sales.
The open discussion forum was created to have a place for off topic items that did not belong in any other sections. I generally only remove a post if it is being reported to me by other members as somethign they find offensive. On a rare occassion I will remove a thread of questionable content, or if it appears flaming wars are going on. With the dead threads section, we can now revive posts that may be deemed ok after all. Everyone here should feel lucky that this isn't llike other forums where things get way out of control, and moderators are quick to delete anything and everything. I just don't understand why people can't just get along. We are all here as a community. We are here because we all share a common interest, Mercedes-Benz. I don't expect everyone to agree with each other, but I do expect people to try their best to keep things civil between each other on public messages. If you want to get into a heated debate with someone, thats what PM and e-mail is for. Heated debates on controversial subjects, that will have things in them offensive to others should be taken privately between people, and not out for the world to see. As for comments people are making to moderators, if you don't like how we are doing something, have the guts to e-mail privately. I feel that some people feel the need to post it publically so that they can feel better when others take their side. Regardless of all that has been going on, I will not tolerate anyone slandering me as a moderator. If you feel it was unjustified, then take it up in private or contact the webmaster to voice your complaint. Don't force everyone to have to witness it. because the post wont be up for long. Alon |
Ashman, it sounds good, but frankly "it ain't so." It seems that on a heated discussion forum, the way to win is to e-mail a moderator with a complaint, as long as the e-mailer's post is the last one. If you guys post "rules of conduct", stick to them. If I'll e-mail to you, that I'm offended by a liberal view poiny on a thread will you close it? The hearsey has it, that some members did just that (from the other side of an issue). If that's the case, just close the open discussion forum and be done with it.
I'm astounded, that moderators are actually allowed in the discussion on the forums (other than this one or discussion regarding the site itself). How can a moderator be impartial, if he is a part of the ruckus?? Anyway, i believe that lately the deletions of threads are out of control. If you have the rules of conduct, stick by them. I could be offended by a lot of material on this entire site (apparently, the MB USA was), but I just get over it. Unless it contains a personal (name- calling, references to one's nationality, race, or ethnic origin, etc) attack or other verboten content, LEAVE THE THREDS ALONE. they do not hurt anyone and provide a lot of fun!!!!!! |
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Delete Button
That is the big debate I have on my forum.
The members wanted a delete button, but this also gives them access to delete the whole string. Mind you only the person that starts the string can do this. Here is my question, if the members have access to edit their posts, do they still need access to delete them? If someone deletes the whole string then other members assume the moderator deleted it. What is your opinion, should I leave the delete button or remove it? |
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Remember people, never assume, because you could make an "ass"out of "u" and "me." :P |
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One of the best I have read in quite a while. |
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This reminds me of a very famous episode of The Odd Couple when Tony Randall as the perfectionist Felix Unger character is giving a lecture in a court case about assumptions and how assumptions determine the way we see the world. The Felix character is a witness in the case and everybody thinks he is a being a pain in the butt as usual because he is such a persnickety perfectionist, contradicting what everyone else in the courtroom believes to be the obvious truth. Taking a piece of chalk, Felix goes to a board that is set up next to the jury and writes the word "ASSUME" in large capital letters and then says in his snippy didactic way something like, you know we should never assume - let's just look at the origin of this word shall we, and then he starts to break the word up into its component parts, circling "ASS" and "U" and "ME". Then he holds up his piece of chalk with a flourish and talks about how you should never assume, because when you assume, it makes an ASS out of U and ME, and it is one of the funniest moments that ever came out of that TV show. |
Hey I love you signature,
Thanks for the vote of confidence, nice to even be mentioned next to MercedesShop. |
hello to all...
i haven't had the time to read all the posts about the moderators on here but i do have this to say... this awesome forum is free...nuf said... if we ever have to subscribe by paying a monthly fee, etc. then i can validate bi**hing and moaning and groaning and protest...but we don't pay...so if the mods want to mod then let them...it's their dime...just like i wouldn't come into your house as a guest and eat everything in your fridge and pantry, but if i paid for half of that stuff...of course i'd eat... another thing... seriously!!! these moderators have been pillars of very very very helpful information in the past...let's not forget that...and if any of you feel that you have the right to tell them what to do in their own house...then i say start retroactively tallying up the dollars in expensive benz repairs, even more expensive labor hours just to try and figure out an easy fix, time spent feeling stupid cause you didn't know what the hell you were talking about with your mechanic, and make a check payable to the mercedesshop folks and pay your money shut up and leave the forum... sheeesh...give people an inch and they want a fricken continental mass of land... grow up!!! and be considerate... |
first of all...
just my opinion. second of all would you rather this site just be another part site? with no responses to any questions, etc.? and you're right i don't know the whole jist of things that have transpired in here but i know how alot of the members tend to fly off the handle sometimes...and you know what if people are going to start flaming moderators..well in my opinion...that's just flat out wrong... nuf said |
further more i don't need to go into the whole deal, cause that's just creating drama...
i just know that i'm entitled to my own opinion...and if moderators feel they need to nix a thread...so be it... however if i'm paying to post then that's a different story, but in this case i'm not paying to post...so they can nix whatever thread or reinstate whatever they want... i'm just a guest in their home...and that's that... quit being a DRAMA QUEEN...because it's already expected you're going to flame back with your bitter filled angered response...just end it...i don't care who did what...just accept my opinion on this "FREE" bulletin board and poof move on to bigger and better chat discussions.... :D |
Opinions are like...
....(a certain part of the anatomy of living organisms, from whence said living organisms evacuate solid waste, sometimes also known by the Latin name "cloaca")...everyone has one.
Everyone is entitled to his opinion, no matter how wrong it may be be. :rolleyes: |
as long as you've brought your knife and fork to dine on my "cloaca"...
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Please, lets be civil
Hey Guys,
Please lets be civil... Remember conversations that start like this, usually end on a bitter note and that is why moderators have to shut a string down. |
BTW, guys, cloaca is the orifice, what you are both incorrectly referring to is the excreta :D :D :D
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Seems we were getting along better back when we weren't getting along!:p
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gotta love the canadians....woo hoo!! you guys rock!!!
here here to civility and neutrality... back to my original post... hey i was responding to the question as posted by MapleOne any who... time to go searching for my illuminated door sills and what an "IAT" sensor does later guys... |
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yeah but sometimes old age clouds the brain from seeing newer perspectives of thinking....
wisdom i feel doesn't have an age value... the oldest and wisest man could still burn his finger on a candle's flame...stub his toe in the middle of the night whilst venturing to pee...etc. etc. etc. |
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Being truly Canadian, I will forgive you for that comment ;) That is in our nature you know. Truth be told we also know how to kick butt, fortunately this is usually reserved, and limited to, when we talk about women. |
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Hey...hey...hey...
"the oldest and wisest man could still burn his finger on a candle's flame...stub his toe in the middle of the night whilst venturing to pee...etc. etc. etc." mushedroom
I am older (maybe not necessarily wiser) but I've never burned my finger on a candle's flame or stubbed my toes while venturing to pee i the middle of the night. My house has electric lights and my prostrate has not yet swelled to the point where it requires me to make frequent visits to the potty room. |
TXBILL post, not mine
TX BILL, your post was acting up (Board problem) and I had to edit it and repost it myself.
quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally posted by DR ///AMG Right, so the older the wiser? I guess it doesn't apply to certain members. Not a personal attack, just my opinion. By the way, I'm the same age as Alon, shy of 1 year. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- O K, so, you're either the same age as Alon, or you're not. Alon's been around a lot longer too. I mean, around here, he has the feel for what happens here. When he is wrong and gets called on it he does not just close the thread. He has a lot of qualities that I don't find in you. Maybe you'll get better, but so far I don't see it. Personal opinion once again. __________________ Bill Makemson www.American-Courier.com 1971 220D, Tobacco Brown 1976 240D, Maple Yellow 1965 190Dc, Slate Blue (gave to my mechanic) 1981 300TD, Teal Green (sold) 1980 300SD, Milan Brown (sold) 1979 300SD, Astral Silver (sold) 1979 240D, Imperial Red (sold) 1982 300SD, Pastel Beige (sold) 1983 240D, Astral Silver (sold) 1979 240D, White (sold) 1983 300SD, Anthracite Grey (sold) |
txbill, why do you take things personally when 1) this is the internet and I don't know you 2) the matter wasn't involving you.
BUT if you really want to know why I closed the "geled thread," it was due to members flaming me, threatening me and demanding I post an apology. I don't have to apologize to anyone for anything. And like I said so many times, let's all chill out and ease up on the accusation and all the bickering. |
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that's so hilarious.... presently me and all my friends talk about girls, cars, gadgets...etc. i wonder when i'm old and grey if prostate swelling is going to be number one on the list of things to talk about on the park bench during a pigeon feeding and chess tournament....heheheheheeheh woo hoo...hope you don't stub your toe in the middle of the night whilst venturing to pee, cause... 1...it hurts...2....makes you curse cuss and scream silently in the darknes...3...makes you want to pee on the spot...and 4...makes you limp and hobble for the rest of your exploring in the dark....:D |
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hey it's alon's birthday...
let's all wish him a happy one... with the exception of the flamers.... woo hoo happy birthday...Alon!!!! here's my birthday thread.... http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/off-topic-discussion/56451-its-alon-ashmans-birthday-happy-birthday-bro.html |
this is all i have to say to all of yous guys yous....
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Why can't we be friends?
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ok are we all done now?
Everyone got it out of their systems? good. Alon |
wait, we're not finished...
i just wanted to tell you to go and get wasted! happy b'day!:D :cool: |
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