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Old 02-11-2003, 10:10 AM
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Telling N. Korea cartoon...

In today's Edmonton Sun,

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Old 02-11-2003, 10:40 AM
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Hahaha....LMAO!

Wow, John...that's pretty daringly un-PC of you!

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Old 02-11-2003, 03:45 PM
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PC or not, the truth is the truth...

...he's nut's, ain't he? Politics aside, I think this is more than obvious.
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It looks like some of that has rubbed off on the South too.... I say we ask the South, since it is a democratic nation, to vote on whether the US keeps troups in its country... If they vote us out then we withdraw POST HASTE.... I think we should ask one nation per year this question... It would bring a slap of reality to many nations ...
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Old 02-11-2003, 06:20 PM
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I may be misinformed, but I was told that this whole nuclear scare is caused by the united states itself. In 1996 Clinton made an agreement to North Korea that we would provide them a steady oil supply if they would shut down their nuclear plants. It seems amidst this war with iraq, we have shut off their supply, and they are left without power. I have seen sattelite photos of the area at night, and you can see the lights over South Korea and China, but none in North Korea. Most of their cities and towns are out of power, and they can do nothing about it. Even if they were to have a large "extension cord" from South Korea (it was proposed) their power grids are so delapitated that it would not be able to help much. As a reaction, and desperate for power, North Kore has fired up it's nuclear generators, and everybody is getting up in arms about it. Given, Kim Jong Il is not the best person in the world, I think we should be a little more informed. We are not being told this side of the story, and I am quite upset that people don't have a chance to understand the WHOLE story. (much of this I heard from my dad and news, as he was in South Korea recently). People in South Korea are getting upset at the US because we are escalating this, and they see how we are twisting the story. I'm sure I'll get a few negative responses, but I want to inform some people who might have an idea based on limited information they are fed. Aside from that, I think the cartoon is hilarious!
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Old 02-11-2003, 06:46 PM
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A little tech background:

We cut off shipments after NK announced they were resuming their nuclear program because NK decided the western powers and Japan were taking too long in providing free nuclear electrical generating power plants as a condition for scrapping existing NK nuc facilities, and oil in the mean time while the plants were being built. The nuclear reactors presently in NK that Japan, China, and the West want removed, (unlike Western and Japanese commercial power reactors), produce very small amounts of electricity as a side product of their main design - production of weapons grade material.

Weapons grade material is produced from typical power plants only as a small, inneficient, and very expensive to process side effect of the main goal of electricity production by the plant - LOTS of electricity is spent trying to extract small amounts of weapons material from used 'breeder' fuel rods and warheads from Russia right now by the fed govt. via USEC corporation under the megatons-to-megawatts program - we buy Russian warheads/breeder rods and convert them into non breeder fuel for commercial fuel rods, and the main expense is buying the electricity to do it! It is cost wasteful, but seen as a valuable program to get weapons material permanently off the market and help the Russian economy on the road to some form of democracy and economic stability without resorting to selling this stuff on the black market.

North Korea plants, however, are designed primarily for cheap weapons grade material production, with electricity almost a parasitic waste byproduct. (Russian Chernoble style moderated graphite plants are a compromise design to produce weapons material as well as electricity - and are not used in the US or European commercial sector). US and European plants are designed specifically to make weapons grade material production extremely difficult and expensive, and inneficient at best - even less efficient than converting a Russian warhead into fuel.

The lack of electric light visible on satelite photos is mostly due to the almost totally collapsed NK infrastructure and economy - starving unemployed people don't buy light bulbs!
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apparently, misinformation can affect everyone. Thank you for correcting me, as I don't want to be spreading false information. Too bad we are never totally informed of all aspects of the situation.
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Old 02-11-2003, 08:26 PM
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Too bad we are never totally informed of all aspects of the situation
Too true - I am sure the tech aspects of the north Korean nuclear plants and the condition of their economy are only small parts of the overall picture. Much of what is really going on in the world is either witheld by governments for various reasons (foriegn policy/economic agendas, protecting sources/techniques, etc.) or is filtered and spun by media to promote news agendas and the slant of their particular paper/station, liberal or conservative.

Probably a lot of this is a heavy handed card played every few years by NK to wrest more concessions and economic aid from the South, Japan, China, and the West. Cards can be overplayed, however, and it is a dangerous game for both sides.

Abraham Lincoln is quoted as saying "believe nothing of what you read, nothing of what you hear, and only half of what you see!"
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To add to what JCE said, it has been reported that NK's nuclear reactor - even if it produces small amounts of electricity - isn't even hooked up to the power grid.

They couldn't even use what little electricity it will produce.
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I was referring to the Longer range situation ....We have protected the South from the North for 50 YEARS.... The north's situation was not created by us .... and WAS NOT created in the last 15 or 20 years... it was created because Communism does not motivate the individual to their highest and best use in life.. and N Korea was having to depend on other misguided Communist governments.... When their system went away then Korea could not continue to pretend that Communism works...But there is no doubt that the North was a threat to the South during the 1950's,1960's, 1970's, etc....
I say if the South Koreans don't appreciate our being there ( my father served there in 1959, My roomate from Viet Nam has been there at least twice and his son once) Then let them " merge " with the North's million man army....
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I was referring to the Longer range situation ....We have protected the South from the North for 50 YEARS.... The north's situation was not created by us .... and WAS NOT created in the last 15 or 20 years... it was created because Communism does not motivate the individual to their highest and best use in life.. and N Korea was having to depend on other misguided Communist governments.... When their system went away then Korea could not continue to pretend that Communism works...But there is no doubt that the North was a threat to the South during the 1950's,1960's, 1970's, etc....
I say if the South Koreans don't appreciate our being there ( my father served there in 1959, My roomate from Viet Nam has been there at least twice and his son once) Then let them " merge " with the North's million man army....
I agree...Why are we providing an overpriced "police force" to a group of people who don't want it? We should either do something decisive about N. Korea, or get our troops out of there for good.

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I guess one thing about the "oil for no nukes" program Jimmy Carter put together is the question: Did the PRK ever actually stop their nuclear program when we were giving them oil. Sure, they shut down their reactor, but their enrichment program? Don't they have at least one weapon already? I think we got taken on that one anyway.


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Old 02-13-2003, 09:37 AM
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...I think we got taken on that one anyway.

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