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Old 08-05-2003, 03:32 PM
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I landed right by Gandhi and Nelson Mandela. Not too bad, huh?

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Old 08-05-2003, 11:57 PM
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Actually, this test is easy to beat and cheat. BTW, Mandella is finally showing what a despicable human being he is. After all the help he's got from this country. BTW- Mandella is as far left as Mao Tse-tung. Nice company.
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Old 08-06-2003, 02:56 AM
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Hey, Vronsky, I'm puzzled that your score doesn't tie in with you political/current affairs opinions - you wouldn't be just arguing for arguings sake would you .

WHO, ME??? Never
The criteria of this test (Authoritarian/Liberal; Economic Left/Right) are very traditional, and do not relate to today's political issues anymore. I'm more of a postmodernist.

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Old 08-06-2003, 04:56 AM
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BTW, Mandella is finally showing what a despicable human being he is.
Now, Piotr, you're just being provocative! Mandela rescued his country from civil war amongst other things..I can't think of a more admirable political leader..compare with the current incumbent and the rest of the low life in Africa..
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Old 08-06-2003, 09:11 AM
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Wonder if there is a correlation between the test results and MB ownership? Since I am trying to locate/purchase my first, will my score change after owning one or more? Score does seem to align itself with me working with troubled/at-risk youth! From tax assessor to this?!?!?!
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Old 08-06-2003, 12:18 PM
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Yeah - bigger the engine, more right wing you are .

What makes you disagree with others more, do you think, different left/right or different authoritarian/libertarian? Me, I can cope with right/left, but authoritarian opinions seriously freak me out..
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Old 08-06-2003, 10:01 PM
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Yeah - bigger the engine, more right wing you are .

What makes you disagree with others more, do you think, different left/right or different authoritarian/libertarian? Me, I can cope with right/left, but authoritarian opinions seriously freak me out..
That is why you chose science for your life's pursuit. Anybody who pursues science is a natural iconoclast. This is also why scientists generally arrange themselves on the lefty side of things. What scientist would work his whole life to maintain the status quo? We'd still be rubbing sticks together for fire and sacrificing animals for rain. Its also what makes scientist a pain in the butt to deal with, but JJL, pain that you are, have a beer on me.


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Old 08-07-2003, 04:48 AM
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I'm curious that there are so few high POSITIVE Authoritatrian scores..come on all you Fascists, where are you? Is this a distrust of Federal government? But that doesn't square with the level of patriotism and support for dubya in this forum..or are the two distinct?


Botnst, good on you - cheers. But I know scientists to the right of Attila - they tend to have moved out of research into science admin..tells a story, no?

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Old 08-07-2003, 06:42 AM
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jjl wrote: I'm curious that there are so few high POSITIVE Authoritatrian scores..come on all you Fascists, where are you? Is this a distrust of Federal government? But that doesn't square with the level of patriotism and support for dubya in this forum..or are the two distinct?
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My guess, regarding "distrust of Federal government", is that most of the forum members are analytical by nature and/or occupation. That would equate to a group of folks that see through the political BS and know when the majority of citizens are actually being slowly led to slaughter (so to speak). An example for thought, I write for an opinion from this forum and the responses are varying opinions on the same subject. These responses are not everyone else agreeing completely with the most senior member. Now compare that to the Republican voting record in Congress. Holy smokes! You folks could do a much better job of running the Federal Government because you can get things accomplished w/o having to mimic what each other says.

As to the "level of patriotism and support for "the dubba" (Tommy Smothers look alike) I happen to feel they are VERY distinct. I will support those that have been given ORDERS to fight, yet not the smiling faced person needing crash courses in public speaking. Guess I'm seeing too many of the wrong cuts in social services for the children I work with. Weighing those against the tax cuts that are shifting more of the nearly non-elastic monetary supply into the pockets of the truely entitled (wealthy AND connected) shows me that somewhere in the future, someone will be paying alot more money to deal with these children! *****! I've got to get back to researching MB 300SDL before I get really rolling . . .
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Old 08-07-2003, 10:28 AM
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I'm curious that there are so few high POSITIVE Authoritatrian scores..come on all you Fascists, where are you? Is this a distrust of Federal government? But that doesn't square with the level of patriotism and support for dubya in this forum..or are the two distinct?
Dubyah. Hmmm. Well, he's living proof that intellectual brilliance isn't needed to run a government. What Dubyah does seem to have is a clear view of what he believes is best for the USA and a good idea of how he wants to get there. To accomplish that task he hired men and women far and away more brilliant and capable than he is. All of them seem to share his vision and demand great discipline from their staffs and subordinates. The result is a very focused executive branch.

His predecessor was by all accounts a very bright man, but one apparently devoid of convictions. Mr Clinton hired people whosepersonal ambitions took control since they were unconstrained by a vision from the top. As a result he provided us with an amusing eight years of fragmented, disjointed governance which the opposition found an easy target for whatever aims they wished to pursue. Discipline among the minority party trounced a visionless majority.

Clearly, Clinton is a fine orator. Clearly Clinton was entirely incapable of rallying a useful majority to his vision. Equally clearly, Bush is an inept speaker. However, he has managed to maintain a strong majority of americans for his agenda, though he was elected with less than a majority of voters.

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Old 08-07-2003, 11:20 AM
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Yes, I'd rather have someone with the right idea rather than PR skills.

I know this is generally unpopular with you guys, but Tony Blair fits this for me - PR over content (and I think it would be fair to say most people in UK). Many if not most people in Britain feel (rightly or wrongly) they have been mis-sold the need for war..and he is inheriting the wind politically. I voted for him first time around, but wouldn't now. He has diminished parliamentary democracy, given executive posts to unelected, big-business figures (e.g. Lord Sainsbury - Science minister - supermarket owner/inheritor) or old pals (e.g. Lord Falconer - head of Judiciary, talentless lump, shared an apartment with TB, presided over the 1billion 'millenium dome' fiasco). (Note the 'Lord' this, 'Lord' that - but here's another argument). There have been all kinds of corrupt goings-on.

Yeah - he's good at speeches - but so what - you tire of this when you have seen a few dozen tear-jerkers without delivery of promises. He is what he appears to be - a slick, ambitious lawyer.

But re the religious crazies - these are dangerous people irrespective of their religion. That's one reason why I'm an agnostic. There are Christian crazies, Jewish crazies, Muslim crazies (Buddhist crazies, anyone?). These fanatics SHOULD NOT be tolerated (am I making this clear yet?) - ok, explained with a B52 if really necessary - BUT it doesn't mean we return to the dark ages of religious persecution. Christians did some really bad things in the past (check out European history last 1000 years) and even now (northern Ireland, closer to home, to each other).

Just my opinion.

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Old 08-25-2003, 11:49 PM
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Old 08-26-2003, 01:23 AM
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Botnst- ditto!! (ooops-bad word )
jjl- Mandela was trained by Soviets, employed subversion and torture, supported his wife (remember the "neckless"? a tire filled with diesel put over the opponent's neck and lit- a favorite persuasion tool of winnie Mandela). Mugabe seems to be learning on Mandela's experience. I suggest you learn more about the man before you idolize him.
As to Bush, well, at the height of war he had 75% support. His lowest rating is about 51%- that's the HIGHEST of Clinton's. And yet, the press is saying that the country was deeply divided over the war!

Really? hmm.. 3/4 population supported the war and Bush, and it seems that except for Liberals, the majority still supports him. Clinton could not dream of such high numbers. And yet people insist on claiming Dubya is stupid. Hm.. he beat Clinton, didn't he?
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Old 08-26-2003, 04:44 AM
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Piotr - Mandela modelled himself on Gahndi. Madela eschewed violence. And even if he had not, the brutality of the racist police state he lived in would have made it understandable. Who are your heroes - Ronald Reagan? Ronald McDonald?

We all know the chip you have on your shoulder about the soviets et al. - you paste this onto everything you say. Sing a different song for a change. See - I can patronise, too.
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Old 08-26-2003, 12:40 PM
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I doubt anyone will be surprised at my results, and neither am I...I landed almost dead center in the Libertarian/Right area of the chart.

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