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Old 10-14-2003, 03:36 AM
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...well, I'm whupped too. My dots are thoroughly connected....

...oh hey, here comes another transmission from space...."what's that? Halliburton just got another 'no-bid' contract? I'm on it, let's roll"...

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Old 10-14-2003, 08:00 AM
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Re: Re: Re: Manu - Afghanistan

Originally posted by Botnst
Thank you: Its all clear to me now.

The USA knew that by supporting the Mujahedeen in Afghanistan gainst soviet colonization that they would: Defeat the soviets; turn on themselves in a murderous civil war; that a horribly repressive regime would seize power by murdering more efficiently in God's name than all others combined and; provide a murderous bunch of terrorists a safe haven to assault western democracies; and by offering education open to the world we'd train the very people who would attack us--all as an excuse to send our kids to diabollically advance pursuit of world-wide hegemony.
No they didn't know that. But they knew that by abandoning Afghanistan to tribal warlords after the fall of communism would only result in a country governed by people who only knew how to govern one way. By force and fiat. It was equivalent to putting a sword in the hand of ten contenders and having them fight it out in a cage. Last man standing becomes king. Utterly irresponsible.
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Old 10-14-2003, 08:21 AM
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Plot for al-Qaida onslaught revealed

Official: ‘Multiple ... simultaneous’ attacks in U.S. were planned


WASHINGTON, Oct. 13 — Some al-Qaida operatives whose activities led to a U.S. security warning last month have been captured, and interrogations indicate they were planning “multiple ... simultaneous” attacks against the United States, a senior counterterrorism official says.

‘We also know there were also other members involved with this planning that are still loose.’
Homeland Security Department “WE HAVE RECEIVED a lot of good information from these detainees over the past several weeks and corroborated the fact there were active plans, ongoing, to conduct another attack in the United States,” William Parrish, a top intelligence official with the Homeland Security Department, said in a recent interview with The Associated Press.
“This attack as they indicated was probably going to be multiple attacks, simultaneous,” he said.
The al-Qaida member include some lieutenants operating in Saudi Arabia. Their leader, Abu Bakr al-Azdi, turned himself in in June; his deputy was killed in a recent shootout with Saudi forces.
“We also know there were also other members involved with this planning that are still loose,” Parrish said.
Parrish, the acting assistant secretary for information analysis at Homeland Security, said the threat posed by this group remains one of the top domestic terrorism concerns.

On Sept. 4, the department issued a warning to security personnel suggesting an al-Qaida attack was in the works. It offered a number of potential threats; atop the list were concerns terrorists would again hijack airplanes and use them as weapons.

But the precise nature of the threat remains unclear. Enter Parrish, whose charge is to turn vague, uncertain intelligence into coherent, useful warnings for police, emergency workers and corporate security officials.
He now has about 60 intelligence analysts working for him — a tiny shop compared with operations at the CIA and FBI. His group also must find a role distinct from the Terrorist Threat Integration Center, the new operation designed to share information between the FBI, CIA and other agencies on terrorist plots.
All that would seem to leave little room for Parrish’s operation, which is part of the larger Information Analysis and Infrastructure Protection Office at Homeland Security. Indeed, many initially believed that Homeland Security would perform the function eventually given to the threat center.
While working with state, local and corporate security personnel, Parrish also has some authority to direct intelligence-gathering by the CIA and other agencies to suit his needs.
For example, Homeland Security officials are pushing for U.S. interrogators to press al-Qaida prisoners to find out if the organization has the know-how to pull off the scenarios that members describe, he said.

If the prisoner talks of a plot to blow up a major suspension bridge, for example, Parrish wants to find out if Osama bin Laden’s training camps held classes on the finer points of such bridge design.
“How many mechanical engineers does he have sitting on his bench?” Parrish said. “How many people does he have that know and understand where the structural weaknesses are in a bridge to be able to affect them? What were those skill sets that he taught in the training camps?”
Parrish also has customs and immigration officers work directly with intelligence analysts to advise them on what sort of information would be useful to their colleagues in the field.
Other intelligence agencies are providing Parrish’s department with all the information it asks for, he said. Critics castigated the CIA and FBI for failing to share terrorism information before the Sept. 11 attacks.
But Parrish said he worries that complacency is setting in, particularly among state and local authorities who have spent millions on security efforts and overtime but seen no real effect, except for an absence of terrorism, which may or may not be because of their efforts.
Like others, Parrish says he wonders why al-Qaida has not attacked inside the United States yet.
“Al-Qaida has always been focused and committed to the spectacular attacks,” Parrish said. “The individual suicide bomber, although certainly within (bin Laden’s) grasp to be able to execute, may not fit into that strategy.”
But that could change, he warned.
“I think at some point, in time, like any organization, you go back and review that strategy,” he said.
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Old 10-14-2003, 09:05 AM
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Originally posted by MedMech
Plot for al-Qaida onslaught revealed...

Enter Parrish, whose charge is to turn vague, uncertain intelligence into coherent, useful warnings for police, emergency workers and corporate security officials.
so what strength duct tape am i supposed to buy?
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Old 10-14-2003, 09:14 AM
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Re: Manu - Afghanistan

Originally posted by pj67coll
Manu wrote...

I guess Osama and the boys must have had their training camps scattered throughtout the US. Yes that's it. Must have been in the Rocky mountains they were really holed up...

- Peter.
Actually, there might be some truth in what you wrote. I recently saw a documentary where they showed that the latest trend amongst known criminal and terrorist organisations is to buy lots and lots of very cheap land in the desert, mountains, anywhere there is land to be had for cheap...

Then they set up those very small communities who live in absolute total autarcy (sp???), under very restrictive Islamic laws...The women are very fertile, they have between 8 and 15 children each, who are then born American...the medium term purpose of this action is to populate the US with as many "followers" as possible, in order to eventually dot the US with a lot of these micro-communities. They are formed by Americans, who live legally on the land they bought, in America, but under fundamentalist Islamic laws,and they hate America...So in effect yes If that report is true there will be small Al-Quaeda style training camps in the US within 10 to 15 years...There was this big-shot professor who said that the method was similar to the development of a virus (no racism intended) in that it penetrates the organism, multiplies itself until it is in sufficient numbers to attack the organism itself...It's a bit like what Israel does with its colonies...

I have no idea wheter there is any truth to the report I saw, but when you see the rape, torture, incest still happening in the Appalachian mountains, and no-one cares, who's gonna mind 15 to 20 mobile homes living on their own without disturbing anyone...that's fundamental Islamism right there developping right under your noses...

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