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Old 10-01-2003, 10:27 PM
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to all you anti-we have no support-war guys

http://209.157.64.200/focus/f-news/990580/posts


Am I proud of "my guys" ?
HELL YESSS!!!!!!

I almost wish I could enlist ...

AND.. I've heard that GROM special forces were just transferred to Baghdad to help hunt Saddam. Anyone can guess MY wet dream??? he he he.... Do you think French are proud of their military? I don't think so...

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Old 10-01-2003, 10:44 PM
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hey, guys, in "comments" read the first 100 (it's not THAT long, they are usually one-liners) ; you will get a crash course in Polish military history. No, it's nOT a joke- some people do appreciate us...
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Old 10-02-2003, 09:45 AM
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For the past 40 years Europe has benefited from the US taxpayers' willingness to maintain a world-class, irresistible military.


Botnst: economics is clearly not your field: who do you think has financed US' gigantic budget deficit (read: US wealth) since 40 years?


This has resulted in a steady decline in European spending and thinking on defense. The EU must change its attitude to defense issues to become a viable, cohesive state.


....you mean like you: 'shock & awe' when countries don't do what you want?
NO THANK YOU


But, would the world be better-off with such an entity? I'm not so sure anymore. The rattle-brain behavior of the French and Germans is not reassuring.


I guess attacking a WMD-ghost is really reassuring...
Ever read Don Quixote?
Give me your 'rattle-brains' anytime.



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Old 10-02-2003, 12:17 PM
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You guys make me laugh...

For the first time ever, the neoconservatives essentially controlled the Republicans and the entire U.S. Government. They'd dictated the Presidency, dominated the House and Senate, and owned the future of the Supreme Court. They didn't have a majority of the voters, but they did have a majority of the Fox News and Talk Radio audiences and a big pile of eager corporate money.

How could they miss?

They were going to show the whole world what true American patriots could accomplish leading a great Christian nation in the new century.

And so they did...

A funny thing happened on the way to Mr. Bush's second term.

In a country run by and for millionaires, the surplus got spent. The rich got tax cuts, and the future got hocked. The environment got screwed. Bechtel and Halliburton got contracts. Religious schools got public funds. Big CEOs robbed and ran free. Good jobs disappeared by the millions. Bankruptcies and child poverty set new records. Big Oil did just fine, thank you.

Ken Lay still has your money.

The rich got richer, the poor got poorer, and in the mean time, in between time, ain't we got war?

Mr. Bush claimed Saddam Hussein's well known WMD presented an immediate danger to the whole world, so we set out to topple him, destroy his WMD and win the hearts and minds of the Iraqi people. "They'd welcome us in the streets."

A parade of retired talking head generals danced on TV amid a sparkling CGI World of maps and cute graphics. Fox had the war wired -- they had Geraldo.

Ever notice how one culture's noble rescue mission is another culture's ugly infidel invasion?

Just before we started "Operation Iraqi Freedom" we exploded the 'Mother of all Bombs.' It's sort of an apt title for the entire Bush War Plan so far.

The whole world told us not to do it, but Mr. Bush knew better. Mr. Cheney smugly knew better. Mr. Rumsfeld absolutely knew better! Don't mess with "Tex" Bush! Cable news proceeded to "Riefenstahl" the war to be. Country music got mixed with tracer fire in promos. Hot Damn! Shock and awe!

The Press got embedded and blurry. Reality went South. The Polls and TV ratings went up, so the balloon went up too.

Americans died. Iraqis died.

We spent millions on massive air attacks to finally kill Saddam himself: over and over and over. He reportedly still checks in by phone.

And then Mr. Bush dressed up just like GI Joe and flew out to the carrier on May 1st to tell us that 'non-victory' was at hand in Iraq. We never found the WMD, but over 300 of our people are still dead -- more than half of them since that flight deck photo-op. Mr. Bush was at the very top that day.

Absolutists of all sorts can be a risk because they and their followers have so much invested in their own perfect worldview they must and will prevail, so the 'War on Terror' is an odd fight. Consider that America and its darkest enemies are both currently run by ultra-conservative religious fundamentalists, with ties to big oil.

Both sides are certain that their God can beat up your God. To each, theirs is the only 'true' cause, and they can justify anything to win. Both sides exploit conflict and fear, but it's hard to sustain.

Sometimes you just have to fib a little.

History will have to sort out the long, complex, but fruitful alliance between the Bush, bin Laden, and Saudi Royal families, and all that it portends.

Mr. Bush, never quite found or defeated Mr. bin Laden's boy Osama, for staging 9/11 despite his proud promises to do so. He then decided our real terror problem was actually Saddam, and he demanded we invade Iraq and impose peace. Somehow, Al-Quaida, 9/11, and Mr. Hussein all merged in the growing public panic. The neocon irresistible force had finally met the Islamic immovable object.

The Bush folks then tragically inserted our kids into a deadly and endless radical Islamic shooting galley that now draws angry militants from everywhere. Time is on their side.

We may have saved Iraq from Mr. Hussein, but can we save the US from Iraq? The Bush people plan a bright new multi-billion dollar Islamic democracy there. The fundamentalists plan a simple, traditional Jihad.

When Mr. Bush entered the Presidency through the back door, he took over a nation at peace with a little cash in the bank, a fat investor class, and low unemployment. He just needed to keep a reign on Big Business and a sharp eye on a troubled world. He did neither.

Mr. Bush's return to address the U.N. this week was mythic. He boldly asked the same people he'd belittled last Spring to risk their own troops and money and triumphantly join him, as long as America still runs the show. The French and Germans and many others were polite enough not to laugh out loud. That's what diplomats do best.

Absent international help we're set to call up even more Guard and Reserve folks, to join tired forces already stretched thin by worldwide commitments.

The Bush people still publicly contend that everything's really swell in Iraq, but the liberal media just focuses on the 'few' bad apples. Meanwhile the U.N. is pulling the bulk of its people out because the US apparently can't protect them in 'Free Iraq.'

This leaves the Republican-controlled Congress in a delicate position. They'll have to decide if their own political survival is better served by backing the Bush people or by grilling them in front of hot TV lights on the Evening News. It would be bigger than O.J.

Almost everything they ever told us about Iraq was wrong. Mr. Bush has the only absolute defense -- he was just following orders.

For all this Administration's compliant media friends, hyper-secrecy, and careful spin, Mr. Bush is now at an all-time low in the polls. Sending in the Troops is always a winner at first. Mr. Bush got a 20-point bump last March. To openly question 'The Plan' back then was to border on treason.

O'Reilly ranted, Rush roared, and Rummy ruminated. Everything was going exactly according to the detailed Bush Administration Iraq Victory Plan.

American kids are still dying today for the lies we were all told last Spring.

Ever notice neocons just love the Troops? They proudly use the Troops for grip & grin photo-ops, but they also tried to screw them out of extra pay, benefit hikes, small tax breaks, and even veterans care.

Our courageous Troops have been short-supplied, over-deployed, under-supported, under-protected, and generally sold out by the politicians who so bravely sent them to get the critical WMD by which Saddam was holding the world hostage.

The kids on the line die now by ones and twos at the hands of the very people they came to 'liberate.' They and their worried families have but one question, "Who will be the last American to die in Iraq for George W. Bush?"

Their sacrifice is very genuine, even if their leadership is not. They keep the faith anyhow, and their families wait. They are the best we have.

They are led by the sort of men who allegedly ‘outed' a serving CIA officer via syndicated columnist Robert Novak. He named her just after her husband, former ambassador Joseph C. Wilson, questioned Mr. Bush's claim that Iraq had tried to purchase African uranium. It not only ended her operational career, but leaking it happens to be a serious crime.

Some people figure one great way to really support our Troops is to call them all home now and let the Iraqis sort this out for themselves. A lot of people wonder what $87 billion could do for our own country. In either case, we'll have to borrow the money. The Bush folks have seen to that, too.

Dictating policy is so much simpler when God is on your side and you're 100% right every time. Saddam's deadly WMD left us no option! The Bush people wrapped themselves in the Flag and the Lord and proceeded to screw up in front of the whole world in truly ‘biblical' proportions.

Meanwhile, the people who brought us 9/11 are still out there. They'll be back. They watch us constantly, and they know where we're strong and where we're trying to get by on the cheap. They know where we live and work and play. They are patient, vicious, and not facing an election. It's not clear how really scared they are of Tom Ridge.

Despite the best efforts of the folks at Fox News, a majority of Americans polled reportedly want Mr. Bush replaced, a full 13 months before the election. Even the people who never vote are pissed off. It's a good thing he's only up against the Democrats or he might be in real political trouble.

George W. Bush has created a war he can't quite seem to win or explain, for reasons so clear and urgent that nobody who backed the war can now recall them. Both Mr. Bush and Tony Blair have alienated their voters.

Mr. Hussein, in all his messianic madness, could never have hoped that he'd really damage both the Bush and Blair Governments. All he had to do was lose the war, and two creepy sons nobody much liked anyhow.

The nervous voices of the far right continue to insist the economy is strong and the Iraq War is going fine -- the 'real truth' about the Bush Administration just isn't coming out in the liberal media.

We wonder. If the 'real truth' got out about the Bush people and what they have done, would they still serve just one term?

Perhaps, but only if they all run concurrently...
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Old 10-02-2003, 12:28 PM
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Old 10-02-2003, 02:19 PM
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chuckyreturns you are a prisoner of your ideology. The far left says the Republicans are going to ruin this country. The far right says the democrats will be the end of us all. I am so sick of stupid party politics. A two party system with left bashing right and right bashing left constantly, will weaken our country.
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Old 10-02-2003, 04:42 PM
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[QUOTE Hatterasguy] chuckyreturns you are a prisoner of your ideology. The far left says the Republicans are going to ruin this country. The far right says the democrats will be the end of us all. I am so sick of stupid party politics. A two party system with left bashing right and right bashing left constantly, will weaken our country. [/QUOTE]
My gut agrees with this statement but history disputes it. In my dream world I wish we could all get along behind our elected administration but nobody told Daschelle/Gephardt etal. And as NPR goes into its 3rd full day of coverage of the spy/whitehouse supposed coverup I want to throw up. Isn't there something else for NPR to report on? Of course I cringe when I think what the rest of the world thinks of us. But the reality is that they are used to it. They have the same kind of mud slinging in England and really anywhere with opposing parties.
But weaken our country? There was an article on the same subject that I wish I had saved from WW2. It said that we may fight each other like crazy but just see how we get together and fight when somone attacks us. The Japanese found out the hard way. Iraq and the Taliban are experiencing a similar spanking right now. I guess we are like a football team of prima donas argueing and fighting each other but going out and blowing away the competition.
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Old 10-02-2003, 05:11 PM
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I haven't seen or read about any lack of support for the troops, sent to risk their lives in a hostile environment. Don't confuse dissent over political & foreign policy with disrespect for the armed forces. Infact, if there's anything we're most united on is the safe return of all the service people to their respective families and fervernt hope that their sacrifices were indeed for a good and just cause.
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Chuckyreturns: Hey, Keep in mind that we(I) are stuck in this repressive country. I'm hoping to move Jordan, Iran or may be Iraq. These countries are the place to be. I even heard you can shoot just about anyone you want, gives you a warm feeling. Besides that, MB sells their cars in Iraq at 1/3 the price we jerks pay. What a country. PS, My MB with almost 200,000 runs flawlessly. And I never have it serviced, accept for the usual things like oil,filters and tires.
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Old 10-02-2003, 08:54 PM
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Would everyone join me in a round of applause for Botnst!

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Having known your statement to be true and respecting RR for having the foresight and courage to make it happen, I had not until just now seen how completely ungratefull the Europeans have been. Very short memory. Another issue that has hurt us is european subsidies to their businesses. In particular I mean the Airbus deal. We have Boeing and Lockheed going up against govt backed Airbus. It is just unfair.
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Old 10-02-2003, 10:06 PM
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Old 10-02-2003, 10:58 PM
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Vronsky- I'm not even going to waste time on you. I believe I successfuly defeated your EVERY argument on about 3 other threads (help me , Tank- was that 3 or 4??).
Chucky - thank you for that neocommunist manifesto. I could take that liberal drivel appart point by point, but I don't have 2 hours, so let me respond to w few radomly chosen ones:
1) the CEOs you so freely mentioned were the biggest donors to Mr. Clinton, and all of the stealing was done in 1999 and 2000- the latest I checked Clinton was the president at that time
2) a survey completed last year showed that, in fact, the poor got much less poor than the rich due to fall of the salaries of the millionaires (ya know, people making over $100,000 per year), UNLIKE under Mr. Clinton ( please read CNN news sometimes- it will do you good). In fact, the decrease in the salaries of the "rich" was so big, that it unexpectedly reduced tax revenues by several $billion$.
3) In case you missed that, since Bush took over, the world had been in global recession. Strangely, US economy grew 3.3% so far this year as compared to an average of 0.4% of France, Germany, and Russia. incidently, my tech-heavy portfolio lost 50% value between march 1999 and march 2000 ( CLINTON as I said before, was then the president)
4) If anybody tried to be elected through the back door, it was Gore- remember, Bush was declared a winner in Florida, and Gore demanded recount. Based on that, Bush was declared a winner- again, so Gore demanded recount, based on this recount, Bush was ahead again, and Gore demanded STATEWIDE recount before this recount was completed, and this time the Supreme Court stepped in. As I said somewhere else, the next step for Gore was to demand that every vote for Bush in Florida was invalid on the basis that Bush was a republican. Maybe THEN Gore would have a chance (in hell).
5) Bush stated, that Saddam was not complying with 14 UN resolutions, was known to have WMDs in 1998 and could not verify what happened to them, SO we could not allow Iraq to become an imminent threat. Stop taking other libs commentaries as facts. next time go to the source.
6) Fox news runs pretty much 50/50 in terms of time allowed to left and right viewpoint on the air. The networks are about 5:1 in favor of liberal viewpoint. that's based on a very unpopular study conducted by- a Democrat.
7) The latest Gallup poll says 62% Iraqis are thankful to the US for getting rid of Saddam Hussein. at the present, according to the military statistics, the rate of military death in Iraq per 1,000 troops is about the same as the rate of military death in the US due to normal accidents. meanwhile, since May, we eliminated approx. 3,200 Iraqi and other muslim extremists. OF course, you'd prefer that these 3,200 were still alive and plan more terror attacts- in the US, right?
8) I prefernwatching Bush in the flight uniform (I hope to look that good at that age after landing on a carrier) than Clinton telling me that he didn't.. or Dean telling me that we all should kiss Chirac's fat ass and make up (why we should do it was never explained).
9) The job of the military is to be put in the harms way if their commander in chief requires it, and 99% of them understands this simple principle, so stop speaking for them.

10) How do you get around?? I bet it has some kind of hydrocarbon fuel in it....

11)Muslim world declared Jihad on the West (including you personally) in 1979- wake up and join the reality.

12) If the entire world means France German and Russia with their own imperialistic goals- you are right- they all told us not to do it (and, I believe Greece and Belgium).

13) UN is right now predominantly anti-US (and really that has been the case ever since I remember, i.e circa mid-70s) so excuse me if I don't give rat's ass what the UN is pulling out of (how many foreign troops went to UN-sanctioned Korean war? right...)

14) the latest I've seen (this week) in Gallup/CNN poll, Mr. Bush has the lowest approval rating of his presidency ( from low to high 50's, depending on a day of a week) which is equal to the HIGHEST approval rating Mr. Clinton achieved in 8 years of HIS presidency, AND these are higher that both Reagan's and Clintons at this time pre-election. Even now, Bush easily beats every Democratic candidate, except the one that does not (officially) run i.e. Hillbilly.
15) The latest I checked, First, Novak divulged a name of a low level CIA operative. This was only an afterthought in an article, questioning why White House sent a completely unqualified person (the said Mr. Wilson) an a fact -finding mission to Nigeria (his wife- the CIA employee, suggested that). Mr. Wilson was one of the biggest donors to Gore campaign and in July, he openly vowed to destroy Bush and his administartion. Moreover, this morning I heard an opinion of a political analyst, that the directive protecting the names of undercover CIA operatives is very clear, diffucult to violate, and that THE LADY MOST LIKELY DID NOT MEET THE CRITERIA of the said directive. Let's wait and see before we start judging (just like the left would like us to do), shall we???
16)Mr. Bush did not alienate over 50% of the voters in this country, which is more than the previous president could do, so please, speak for yourself AND GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT BEFORE YOU WASTE ANY MORE OF MY TIME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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BOTNST- interesting question about the future of Polish army. Kwasniewski, as you know, is poised to take over the pNATO's presidency in a few years, plus Poland was traditionally pro-US (and , apparently, so is the rest of Eastern Europe), so in my opinion the commitment to NATOwill be way bigger than commitment to EU. Plus, to me personally, EU looks too much like an attempt to create something similar to the old SU with France and Germany in charge. I don't think it will work very well, so I hope that Poland will committ itself to NATO first.
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Not an economist? Duh-oh! That is a problem.

Lets see, ... we (I include the UK and Canada in this 'we') incurred a huge debt defeating the USSR--basically played high-stakes chicken with our respective economies until the USSR experienced economic and social meltdown. I paid direct taxes and I paid a huge hidden tax through inflation: inflation kicked me up the tax scale but my money bought less and less and my income didn't keep pace with inflation. That isn't a legal tax but it burned me anyway.

Our trade deficit has been consistently negative for fifty years--meaning we buy more overseas than foreigners buy from us. Result: my money goes outta here to, uh, you.

So I get taxed witless, I have paid inflation outta da whazzooo, and I provided military protection for a bunch of gutless Europeans who only exhibit bravery in the face of American generosity--ie, you bravely insist that we don't give enough of our wealth to the world--who do NOTHING to earn it. That makes me your slave and you complain about me not producing enough for your ambitions. Have a good life, I bought it for you.

Not that I resent it, mind you.

Friend, you still don't get it:
not only are foreigners funding you and your administration's excessive spending to keep up your wealth and power, your (great grand) children will bear the burden of having to pay it all back. THEY will be -in your words- your slave. Maybe you should resent that a little.

'American generosity': GIVE ME A BREAK, it's a fact that the amount of development aid per US-citizen is the lowest in the world. You are generous allright, as long as it's you that benefit.

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