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Old 10-09-2003, 01:34 PM
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Question What do ya think about this

The mother who was convicted for contributing to her sons' suicide;
http://www.cnn.com/2003/LAW/10/06/sons.suicide.ap/index.html
I'm not so sure about her needing a criminal conviction. But on the other hand, she needs to own up to the enviroment she was raising her son in.
But I'm afraid this will just lead to setting a precedent for more of "big brother" looking over our shoulders as to how we raise our kids.
What do you guys(and gals) think?

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Old 10-09-2003, 01:44 PM
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This seems to be an extreme case. This child was not in a healthy environment at home or at school. I think if they are charging the mother, the school should be charged as well, as they allowed the bullying to occur...
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Old 10-09-2003, 01:57 PM
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I love this site. 12 reads, one response. Seriously people, he asked your opinion, don't be afraid to respond...
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Old 10-09-2003, 02:27 PM
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Oh well. I guess it's not political enough.:p
How about this:
Which party would be more likely to through her a$$ in jail, republicans or the democrates?
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I don't think you can blame the school for allowing the bullying. Their hands are tied as far as that goes. If they try to stop a bully the bully claims the school is bullying him. In my day if we were picked on we just got a few more kids together and held the guy down while 5 or six of us took turns kicking him in the nuts. End of bully problem.
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Old 10-09-2003, 06:17 PM
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The kitchen was full of dirty dishes and spills and stains. The bathroom floor and the bathtub were covered with clothes, and the toilet, sink and tub were soiled.
Fcuk! My house sometimes looks like that. Convict ME! Throw me in jail for being a terrible housekeeper.

I think there might have been more to the story. Sometimes people don't know how to handle things like that. Who knows, maybe they weren't ready to be a parent, maybe they grew up like that.

I don't know what to say. Sometimes there are no warning signs, or maybe we're just too blind to notice them. Depression is a major cause of suicide, but in the past we've frequently been misled to believe that depression and mental illness doesn't occur in children. Maybe this will be a wakeup call.
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Does anyone really think that a 12 year old is capable of commiting suicide? Be truthful, because I sure didn't. It just seems so far from what 12 year olds do. What about an 11 year old, 9, 7 year old? I can't believe a 7 year old is capable of suicide, yet I know 7 year olds definitely have the physical ability to do so. I have 14 nieces and nephews between the ages of 2 and 11. It still hasn't properly registered with me.
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The whole thing's pretty damn depressing! I think that the mother must have also been mentally ill to let both herself and her child live in such filth. Besides that, a house like that certainly wouldn't have helped him build a sense of his own ego. Once the bullies set in, he was done for.

I also wouldn't rule out the possibility that the mother killed him. She was working two jobs and obviously didn't have the ability to keep a home on top of that-- let alone a growing pre-teen with all those inheirant problems.

I hope they're able to figure out exactly what happened.
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"I think that the mother must have also been mentally ill to let both herself and her child live in such filth."

I kinda wondered the same thing. I have seen homes that bad, but not with childeren living there. It's usually been some old person that either doesn't care anymore, or lives alone and can't take care of the house anymore.
Sad situation, whatever really happened
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sad and pathetic

Its really sad a kid would kil himself at 12. But unbelievably pathetic for someone to live like that when they have running water and plumbing.
But hey they have a new law out of it. Is'nt that great! You have to report bullies. What a great statement of how spineless our culure has become. (you know the 23.3% that just dont care).
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Old 10-10-2003, 11:23 AM
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Re: sad and pathetic

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But hey they have a new law out of it. Is'nt that great! You have to report bullies. What a great statement of how spineless our culure has become. (you know the 23.3% that just dont care).
Yeah. Gee, wish there was that law when I was in middle school, and getting kicked, teased, and spit on by the school bullies because I was a clean-cut, kinda nerdy kid.
I suppose next the ACLU will get mixed up in all this somehow.
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What a tragedy! Another victim of society. Actually both mom and son were victims.

You’d have to know that these folks lived about as much of a lack of income kind of life as ever there was. Imagine, mom works 2 jobs to take care of her son and provide a home. Due to the work she has little time for her son. She has little time for the home, and probably has no significant other for assistance or emotional stability. Obviously the grand-parents are no-where to be found. Mom and son are alone in the world.

To prioritize work and eating, some things at home are left undone. In time this approach causes the problems to compound and mom finds that maintaining the household becomes more than she can do. She’s depressed and probably sees the household maintenance in a way that only the depressed can see it -- as a task taking most of a life to accomplish, and the work causes feelings of anger, sadness, and longing -- and because of this, the household cleaning work becomes more than she can do...

Meanwhile, son, lacking guidance from ever-working mom, and having no father to provide strength or assurance, and, in all certainty, he can’t get money to keep even a faintly “stylish” appearance at school. Son becomes a target not just for “a” bully, but someone to be demeaned and ridiculed by nearly everyone in school. In fact, son is probably looked down upon by everyone in his young life.

And all because he merely echoes his environment. This is natural for kids to do. His lack of hygiene makes him different yet goes along with wearing old and tattered clothing. His shoes are probably too small. None of it is really his fault and he can’t help it. The son thinks this his is the right way, because that’s what he’s learned from home. But even his teacher doesn’t like him. Because even though the over-worked and under-paid teacher understands the problem, the teacher, too, is beyond caring. The teacher's life too, is unfulfilled.....

Son daily comes home to an empty and unkempt house.

Mom lives for her son even though at times even she secretly blames him for her problems, as every mother will sometimes do. But mom battles everything that comes with poverty, and is ever so slowly loosing the battle. Everything the son does is somehow wrong. But mom only sees a little cleaning needed.....cleaning she can’t do because it makes her depressed.

Even though mom never says anything bad to son, he feels that it's all his fault.

No escape in sight for mom or son....

Oh well. Everyone dies, right? Only thing that changes is when......and why

I hope for a time when our culture holds as much value in helping our neighbors as we hold value for destroying other cultures. But it will never happen. People love diversion and only face the facts of their own life for as briefly, and as infrequently, as is humanly possible.

Do you?

BTW, depression knows no age boundary. It can be a “friend” or "bully," if you will, for life...............
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Good perspective, Lebenz. That's why I posted this thread. To explore other sides of the issue, beyond what the news media gives us.
BTW, welcome back. Again

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