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mikemover · #1 10-17-2003, 08:44 AM

So....

Does anyone besides me find the timing of this new UN Security Council (wow...that's an oxymoron--"UN" and "security" in the same sentence!) resolution to be very politically "convenient"?

They wait and wait and wait and wait and do nothing about Saddam, and then when the US and allies finally step up to the plate and take him out, they b!+ch and moan the whole time, letting the US, along with England, not only absorb the huge financial and manpower burden, we also get take the bad rap for "warmongering".

Now here they come, trying to look like big heroes with a unanimous vote on a resolution to spend more of our money, to "pick the Iraqis up and dust them off" after the fact.

Very irritating.

Mike

moparmike · #2 10-17-2003, 07:36 PM

Yep. The UN should be our whipping boy, out doing our bidding if we are going to be providing 50-65% of their $$$. If we pulled out of the UN, they would be begging us to come back and saying "we promise we will behave...". That is, unless they decided they want to provide some target practice with those famed blue-helmeted invaders they might drum up.

It is long overdue that we give the UN the middle finger and kick them the hell off of our land. Let Kofi "Screw You America" Annan and the rest of the Useless Neo-socialists go espouse their anti-American tripe somewhere else.

savas · #3 10-17-2003, 08:34 PM

Someone correct me if I'm wrong but didn't Bush go to the UN and ask for their help and $?

mikemover · #4 10-17-2003, 08:55 PM

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Originally posted by ilvanakis
Someone correct me if I'm wrong but didn't Bush go to the UN and ask for their help and $?

It's LONG overdue that they foot the bill for some of this, financially and manpower-wise...They did NOTHING of substance to address the Saddam situation for over a decade, and STILL have done nothing, except to complain about the way we ARE doing something.

Mike

Kuan · #5 10-17-2003, 09:08 PM

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Originally posted by ilvanakis
Someone correct me if I'm wrong but didn't Bush go to the UN and ask for their help and $?

Yes, I think he did it a little after 9/11 anniversary and it was all over the news. The talk around the water cooler was that it was unconvincing.

The resolution was sponsored by the US, the UK, and a coupla other countries, so the security council did not vote to spend our money, but voted instead to contribute its money. I, for one, am glad to see that the US has managed to gather such support from the UN. Not only does it set the stage for future coorporation, but it also serves to halt the slowly souring relations between the US and many countries, France for one.

I think the President did a great job in getting other countries to stand by our side. Well done W.

mikemover · #6 10-17-2003, 09:14 PM

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Originally posted by Kuan
The resolution was sponsored by the US, the UK, and a coupla other countries, so the security council did not vote to spend our money, but voted instead to contribute its money.

Where do you think the UN Security Council--

---sorry, I have to laugh every time I say that!--Where do you think they GOT a large portion of that money???....From US! So they are trying to make themselves look like the good samaritans, but they are STILL spending OUR money!

There is no such thing as "the UN's money"...they don't do ANYTHING to earn ANY money...It all comes from someone else...Mostly us and Europe.

Mike

Kuan · #7 10-18-2003, 06:43 AM

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Originally posted by mikemover
Where do you think the UN Security Council-- ---sorry, I have to laugh every time I say that!--Where do you think they GOT a large portion of that money???....From US!

Mike

I don't get it Mike. I figured every country which voted yes on the resolution would send help in whatever form they could. I don't remember the last time the US wired money to France or sent gifts in kind like AR-15's to Russia.

So you're saying the US gives every member of the security council an "allowance" and is now asking them to spend it rebuilding Iraq?

mikemover · #8 10-18-2003, 09:18 AM

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Originally posted by Kuan
I don't get it Mike. I figured every country which voted yes on the resolution would send help in whatever form they could. I don't remember the last time the US wired money to France or sent gifts in kind like AR-15's to Russia.

So you're saying the US gives every member of the security council an "allowance" and is now asking them to spend it rebuilding Iraq?

No, we give the UN money. Lots of it.

Mike

Kuan · #9 10-18-2003, 11:52 AM

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Originally posted by mikemover
No, we give the UN money. Lots of it.

Mike

So do lots of other countries. Japan, for instance, contributes almost as much as the United States. Germany contributes half as much as Japan and then France half as much again.

But I really don't think any of this money goes into, say, Spain's coffers to beagain reinvested in the rebuilding of Iraq. Matter of fact, I'm quite sure that none of the money will come from the UN's general fund.

mikemover · #10 10-18-2003, 12:36 PM

You're missing the point...Now that we've done the dirty work, and taken the bad rap for the war, and we've spent BILLIONS already...NOW the UN steps in to try to look like the hero of the whole mess, for "unamimously agreeing to rebuild Iraq." I would consider it a very noble gesture...If I didn't know better. The timing and intent is SO damned obvious! It fits their agenda of making us look bad, and themselves good, perfectly.

I'm well aware that we're not the only country that gives the UN large sums of money...but a HUGE portion of the money that they are going to spend on this came from us...and we've already spent billions, with the President already asking for more...and when that money is quickly spent, whose door do you think they will knock on for more???.....

Mike

Kuan · #11 10-18-2003, 01:50 PM

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Originally posted by mikemover
You're missing the point...Now that we've done the dirty work, and taken the bad rap for the war, and we've spent BILLIONS already...NOW the UN steps in to try to look like the hero of the whole mess, for "unamimously agreeing to rebuild Iraq." I would consider it a very noble gesture...If I didn't know better. The timing and intent is SO damned obvious! It fits their agenda of making us look bad, and themselves good, perfectly.

I'm well aware that we're not the only country that gives the UN large sums of money... but a HUGE portion of the money that they are going to spend on this came from us...and we've already spent billions, with the President already asking for more...and when that money is quickly spent, whose door do you think they will knock on for more???.....

Mike

Mike,

First you applaud the growth in 3Q GDP, 41 billion of which came from military spending and another 31 billion of which came from govt. spending. Then in this thread you bemoan the fact that we have spent so much on defense. Given the lack of any sarcasm, or evidence thereoff, in your "Blame Bush for the Economy" thread, I believe you should clarify your position a little.

As far as I know, it was the US which pushed this resolution and made minor adjustments and compromises. It was the US who had everything to do with the timing, not any other member nation. It was the US which made the plea, drafted the resolution, and put it on the floor. All on its own schedule.

I see how the actions of the Security Council may be construed, or misconstrued as making the US look bad, but I really see no motivation. To do so would result in a lose lose situation which benefits nobody, least of all the wartorn nation of Iraq.