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Old 11-08-2003, 11:03 AM
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The level of training isn't trivial, but achievable by, IMO, almost anyone who can read and write.
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Wow Kuan, you and I have quite different experiences with nurses. I taught human A&P in a juco and I promise you, it was not a class that just required literacy. When I was hired the dean told me that A&P was the course they used to cut the student population to a manageable size. No nursing school without a B in both semesters, both lecture and lab. If there was a large cohort for a gven year an A would be necessary. There's a boatload of college grads in other curricula who couldn't pass that class. I've seen'em.

It was not as rigorous as general bio equivalents: comparative anatomy (the best course offered to convince people of the authenticity of vertebrate evolution) and any intro physiology course. But then, the standards were pretty high for nursing wannabees.

You don't have to be a genius to be an RN. But you must be a bit above average and very, very focused. That second trait eliminates a lot more than the first.

Blackmercedes, its a buyers market. In Louisiana we ***** about those dang rich Texas school systems raiding our teachers with bigger money and more benefits. BTW, my brother recently married a Canadian import school teacher. She maintains her citizenship, but that's all that's between her and total assimilation. Resistence is futile.

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Old 11-08-2003, 11:49 AM
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Yeah Ted, four nurses. The conversations around the dinner table during holidays sometimes gets quite gross. You know when I was at Abbott visiting my friend Bess I was wondering if I'd run into your mom. The nurses were great there.

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Wow Kuan, you and I have quite different experiences with nurses. I taught human A&P in a juco and I promise you, it was not a class that just required literacy.
Put it this way. Many successful nursing students I know/knew aren't Linus Paulings, Albert Einsteins, Alan Turings, Stephen Wolframs, or Richard Feynmans. In fact, they're all pretty average people who have average people troubles with math, science, and yes, even A&P. I guess the difference is in the level of persistence, a point you just made.

One of my wife's sisters got her LPN after a year and a half of college. She went on to get her RN after two years in JC. No disrespect meant, but she was one of those who had to be dragged through her one required chem lab... twice! She also required a live in stat tutor (thank goodness for big sisters). Once again, rather than amplifying her difficulties in school but focusing on her persistence, I'd say that if she can do it, almost anyone can.
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Old 11-08-2003, 11:53 AM
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Yup. I took physiology in an 8 week summer session. Coined, “biophysics boot camp”!

The class was chock full of pre-PT students, pre-pharm, pre-med, PA and kinesiology kids. If you couldn't get by with a B or better, better look elsewhere for a major.
Man hope you didn't get graded on a curve.
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Old 11-09-2003, 11:11 PM
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Piotr, manufacturing did not decrease worldwide. Most advances in manufacturing technology do not make quick enough advances overnight. If it did, we'd see manufacturing jobs disappear instead of going overseas. It still takes humans, maybe fewer because they tend to not have overtime laws in inner Mongolia, but it still takes humans. (see Levi Strauss new factory in China example) American productivity increased because there were fewer workers per dollar goods sold in the United States. (I don't get this. Why are we more productive when someone else is doing the work?) Once again the numbers in the news lie to us. As I sit here on my couch, contents of my workbench on my lap, drowning my sorrows in beer, somebody somewhere is assembling laptops for the American market. You tell me, am I being more productive?
Sorry, you are wrong. The latest UN data (have to Google this again) showed that in the past year manufacturing jobs dropped world wide by about 6% due to mechanization. This number was of course higher in the developed countries. BTW, the mfg jobs dropped also in the second and third world that saw its jobs exported even further down (Malaysia, etc.).
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Old 11-10-2003, 05:44 AM
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You're probably right Piotr, but only for other industrial nations with manufacturing capabilities similiar to ours... countries like Japan, Germany, Mexico, South Korea, Australia, Taiwan.

It may be impossible to tell where the jobs went without some very detailed detective work. Nonetheless, I don't think the loss of manufacturing jobs has hit Mexico as hard as it has hit the US.
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Old 11-10-2003, 07:37 AM
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1 The majority of these jobs are low paying menial according to one recent analysis. Secondly, I am still wondering when the president is going to address the erosion of American citizens jobs "spewing" out across the ocean to foreign countries.
this is the area where Ross Pirot shed some light (the truth) on the 1st campaign. BC told how he had created a wealth of jobs in AK. others called bull*****. i didnt know who to believe, until ross explained it: yes, you created jobs: chicken farming helpers. and if you think shoveling chicken ***** will move the US forward in the modern world economy vs the high-tech jobs that are leaving for far away shores .... crazy little bastard was right!

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