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Old 11-06-2003, 11:01 PM
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War could have been avoided?

NY Times is reporting that Iraq was willing to agree to unheard of concessions in order to avoid war. US was unwilling to take Hussein up on his offers.

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/11/06/politics/06INTE.html
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Old 11-07-2003, 08:19 AM
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Re: War could have been avoided?

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NY Times is reporting that Iraq was willing to agree to unheard of concessions in order to avoid war. US was unwilling to take Hussein up on his offers.

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/11/06/politics/06INTE.html
Heck yeah it could have been avoided and we didn't even need any promises from Hussein. Iraq was no imanent threat.

I saw this guy on CNN this morning. He sure seemed credible. His interviewer surely did want Mre Hage to say that he (the Lebanese gentleman) believed the Iraqi offer was genuine. Mr. Hage essentially said that he wasn't in a position to know whether it was a credible offer.

But I'm betting it was a sincere, credible offer. Hussein finally woke-up and realized that after 12 years of f***ing around, we weren't playing anymore and were poised to depose the mad bas**rd. So he offers the farm. Too bad he didn't do that in say, 1992, 1993, 1994, 1995, 1996, 1997, 1998, 1999, 2000, 2001, 2002.

Hope the rest of those dictators and kings and sultans, take careful notes.

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All wars could have been avoided. None of them were. This one is no better or worse than any of them. How about instead of complaining about how this one should or could have been avoided we move on and try to figure out how to avoid the next one?
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Dear friends:

A total 32 U.S. soldiers have died in the FIRST week of this November! How sad!

The US military elites have never learned anything from the history, especially the Vietnam War. They are making the same mistakes in Iraq.

Unless genocide or inexorable extermination of any rebellious element is an intentional part in the plan of an invasion, occupying a foreign country in a "humane" manner will always inflict terrible losses on an occupying force, regardless of how advanced their weapon technology is.

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Bottom line is that Bush needed to purge the weapons that have been stored in order to generate new government contracts with his cronies for new weapons. Don't believe me? Look it up. War is business. Take a look at history.....every 10 years we, our government has a conflict with some poor country in this world. We are doomed to repeat history because we don't learn from it.
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Bottom line is that Bush needed to purge the weapons that have been stored in order to generate new government contracts with his cronies for new weapons. Don't believe me? Look it up. War is business. Take a look at history.....every 10 years we, our government has a conflict with some poor country in this world. We are doomed to repeat history because we don't learn from it.
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[B]Quote" Bottom line is that Bush needed to purge the weapons that have been stored in order to generate new government contracts with his cronies for new weapons" Quote


I disagree.......!!!!
It was a monumental decision to go to war. Right or wrong decision, it was made in light of all available intelligence known at that time. The Prez is not dumb enough to go to war just for his cronies. He came into office with his mind set on fixing the economy and on domestic issues, but was broad-sided with the events of 9/11; events which shaped his decisions and changed the world as we know it. When it came down to the eleventh hour, he decided to err to the side of caution, and the rest is history...........
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It is classic propaganda that the war on Iraq is a response to 9/11. Read the documents at the Project for the New American Century and you will find that Rumsfeld, Cheney, Perle, and Wolfowitz conceived the war long before Bush was ever elected.
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Quote "Rumsfeld, Cheney, Perle, and Wolfowitz conceived the war long before Bush was ever elected" Quote

I do not doubt that war with Iraq was discussed and discussed often. Heck, they are definitely not an ally and we went to war with them the first time around. But, to say that the main reason we went to war was to generate contracts for his cronies is wrong and unfair...........
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Quote "Rumsfeld, Cheney, Perle, and Wolfowitz conceived the war long before Bush was ever elected" Quote

I do not doubt that war with Iraq was discussed and discussed often. Heck, they are definitely not an ally and we went to war with them the first time around. But, to say that the main reason we went to war was to generate contracts for his cronies is wrong and unfair...........
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Quote "Rumsfeld, Cheney, Perle, and Wolfowitz conceived the war long before Bush was ever elected" Quote

I do not doubt that war with Iraq was discussed and discussed often. Heck, they are definitely not an ally and we went to war with them the first time around. But, to say that the main reason we went to war was to generate contracts for his cronies is wrong and unfair...........
I have no problem with you disagreeing with my point of view, however, check out the companies that have current weapons manuafacturing contracts and tell me of the seven I counted how many have business ties to the Bush family? You'll be amazed. Again, war is business....perhaps this is how Bush Sr. and oh, now Bush Jr. help the economy....hmmm??? Go figure. Interesting coincidence wouldn't you say? My .02
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I have no problem with you disagreeing with my point of view, however, check out the companies that have current weapons manuafacturing contracts and tell me of the seven I counted how many have business ties to the Bush family? ...


If you're wealthy and have investments, chances are you have what "Concerned Citizens Against....[name your Awful Thing]" would call unsavory ties with some outfit--maybe a paper company, a tobacco company, an aerospace (arms) company, a chemical (arms) company, an electronics (arms) company, etc, etc. Many companies manufacture weaponry as well as benign products.

Correlation isn't causation.

Now, has any evidence arisen that there has been any illegal quid pro quo?

If there is, then lets all play nail the coffin on the politicians. Otherwise its just the outgassing fog of politics.

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