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Old 11-14-2003, 12:57 PM
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Angry Judge Moore Removed from Office (He refused to remove the Ten Commandments Monument)

CNN polled over a thousand citizens and 77% didn't think the monument should be removed. Regardless of what most Americans wanted, the faithless courts in this country acted on their own. This really gets me!

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Old 11-14-2003, 01:17 PM
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Hey -- the law is like the Bible. You can't just pick and choose what you want to believe. The guy violated a court order and paid a price -- exactly as it should be.

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Old 11-14-2003, 01:33 PM
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The guy violated a court order and paid a price
I agree, he violated a ferderal court order. The subject matter (religion) of the order doesn't come into play. What kind of precedence would this set if he was not punished or just slapped on the wrist?

If he and the people of the US want that monument to stay then there are appropriate ways to go about it.
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Old 11-14-2003, 03:17 PM
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Glad he's gone

Let Roy Moore practice his religion anywhere he wants except the BENCH!
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Old 11-14-2003, 03:27 PM
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Its sure difficult to find a nice thing to say about a justice who'd ignore the law because he finds it inconvenient. Hopefully changing his title to "Ex-justice" will dissuade like-minded nincompoops from the same foolishness.
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Old 11-14-2003, 03:32 PM
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Let Roy Moore practice his religion anywhere he wants except the BENCH!



Very well stated, indeed. I am very glad that the ruling has been upheld, and Moore's antics have not been tolerated. To lie down and die on the issue after telling him to remove it would have set a terrible precedent- glad he's gone.

It was an ugly monument anyway...

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Old 11-14-2003, 03:54 PM
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He's debating that. I believe there is good reason as well. Anyone who thinks it's something to do with religion didn't do their homework. It's got everything to do with "In God we trust."
You know, a lot of people in this country don't believe that marijuana should be illegal, and I'm quite certain there are some judges among them. Still, you don't often see a judge firing up a joint in court. I wonder why that is...... Oh yeah -- it's illegal! No one should know the proper venue for staging a protest or challenging a law better than a judge. His behavior in this matter has been nothing short of embarassing.

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Old 11-14-2003, 04:01 PM
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Hey -- the law is like the Bible. You can't just pick and choose what you want to believe. The guy violated a court order and paid a price -- exactly as it should be.
Very well put. Thank you.

How would some of you have felt if it had been the Islamic code monumented on government property instead of the 10 Commandments?
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Old 11-14-2003, 04:52 PM
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Our laws can also be traced to Laws of Hammarubi, Greco-Roman laws, and on some philosophical writings of the enlightnment. Why not post them all?

Here's why: The Justice himself said it wasn't about history but about acknowledging God.

That's a nice sentiment and I bet 99% of the defendants say a little plrayer every time they enter the court. Its just silly to expect everybody to have a little prayer time or to have monuments to this or that favorite religious icon. How about some Shiva statues

Or how about a couple of Mary's? That'd be cool in a protestant judge's courtroom, huh?
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Old 11-14-2003, 04:57 PM
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One nation under God, that is most definitely the God of Isaac and Abraham and NOT buhhda, the dude that created the koran, ghandi or any other of those characters.
Actually, I think that it could be successfully argued that Islam has the same relationship with Christianity that Judaism does i.e. all three are factions of the same belief. Fundamentalist extremists in the MIddle East aside (there are, of course, fundamentalist extremists in all 3 factions, but we haven't seen an extremist Christian in a position of power in a long time, and Jewish people haven't really had enough power to get an extremist in power), they share similar values, have a basically similar belief structure, and Islam even recognizes Jesus as a prophet. Just because they call their god Allah doesn't mean that it's not the same god that Jewish and Christian people are worshipping; just that they call him by a different name and worship him in slightly different ways.

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Leave the religous practicing at home, fine.
Sounds like a great idea to me! Your belief is your belief; no one has the right to take that away from you. However, in my very strong opinion, you don't have the right to push it on others either. IMHO religion is like sexual preferences; perfectly fine to do what you wish, but keep it behind closed doors (either of your home or your church).

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No infaCT, better yet, let's remove God from everything including the money
Also sounds like a good idea to me...the phrase "In God We Trust" wasn't added to currency (or, for that matter, to the Pledge of Allegiance) until the 1950's in an attempt to smoke out communists. I think it's funny when people try to say that having that phrase in there is absolutely necessary to keep this nation intact; it did fine for 175 years without that on the money. I also find it amusing when people try to say that our national motto is "In God We Trust"; last I checked, it was "E Plurbius Unum".

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Old 11-14-2003, 05:33 PM
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contridiction

What Roy Moore intends to argue is that the oathe he swore to when becoming a judge was one to uphold what the court asked him to disband on.

Remember this country was started because of the religous persecutions in England. American laws were formed to protect us from government stopping us from practicing religion and allowing what happened over there to happen over here. Now, the 1st amendment that was put in place to protect us is being used against us.

The constitution does NOT contain the words "seperation of church and state".

This phrase was used by Thomas Jefferson when writing to a group of baptist assuring them that government would not disallowing them from worship.
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Old 11-14-2003, 05:57 PM
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Which of the ten commandants should we follow?

Thoul shall not worship false God's against me.

Thou shall not take the Lord's name in vain

Remember to keep the Sabbath

Thou shall honor thy Mother and Father

Thoul shall not steal

Thoul shall not kill

Thou shall not commit adultury

Thou shall not bear false witness against thy neighbor

Thou shall not covet thy neighbor's wife

Thou shall not covet thy neighbor's goods.

Maybe old order Amish keep these commandments. This is a big non-issue, this country founded on the ten commandments??

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Old 11-14-2003, 06:49 PM
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I was happy to see Moore disbarred. It was legally correct for him to be removed, so say nothing of the issue that this guy cannot possibly be fair as a judge. Its unacceptable to have a religious zealot on the bench that may allow 10 Commandments morals to interfere in his legal decisions.
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Old 11-14-2003, 07:13 PM
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contridiction

What Roy Moore intends to argue is that the oathe he swore to when becoming a judge was one to uphold what the court asked him to disband on.

Remember this country was started because of the religous persecutions in England. American laws were formed to protect us from government stopping us from practicing religion and allowing what happened over there to happen over here. Now, the 1st amendment that was put in place to protect us is being used against us.

The constitution does NOT contain the words "seperation of church and state".

This phrase was used by Thomas Jefferson when writing to a group of baptist assuring them that government would not disallowing them from worship.
Brandon, you are right.

However, the problem is not in the historical context but that the judge stated that his reason for the monument was to acknowledge God as the supreme and final arbiter of right and wrong. That alone is not a problem for me. Where I have a problem is that this man claims he knows the mind of God. I think that most Christians would agree that is the realm of Jesus, not some judge.

What evidence do I have of that? Why would I suggest such a rediculous thing?

This man knows that if we fail to acknowledge God in our lives that we will fail as a nation. He believes it is his duty to bring God into the forefront of one of our most jealously guarded civic proceedings, the justice system.

I think that every Jew, Christian, Muslim, Zoroastrian, Bahai, or whatever would agree with the proposition that God should be foremost in the minds of those seeking justice.

But I think it is terribly presumptuous to suppose that God requires idols to be placed in the halls of justice, in order for justice to continue to be done.

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Old 11-14-2003, 08:46 PM
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Then don't suppose it, no one else did.
What noun should one use to describe a venerated iconic representation of a Biblical story designed to evoke reverence to a deity?
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