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Old 12-16-2003, 07:42 PM
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http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2003/12/13/140235.shtml


Saturday, Dec. 13, 2003 1:26 p.m. EST
Hillary's Flu Vaccine Crisis

Newspapers are awash this week with headlines warning that the U.S. is running out of flu vaccine just as the crisis reaches near-epidemic levels, with 11 children dead so far.

But as top radio talker Rush Limbaugh noted this week, the press isn't explaining how the most sophisticated health care system in the world was caught short by the flu crisis.

Perhaps reporters ought to ask New York Sen. Hillary Clinton, since one of the few health care reforms she managed to inflict on the nation during her co-presidency has now backfired by driving most of America's flu vaccine producers out of business.

As reported by the Wall Street Journal this week, "The reason for today's shortage - as well as seven previous preventive vaccine shortages since 2000 - is that there are just five vaccine makers.

"This lack of suppliers is partly thanks to Hillary Clinton, who as first lady turned government into the majority buyer of vaccines and pushed prices so low as to make business unsustainable."

Last summer the Journal noted that the problem goes back to 1993, when Mrs. Clinton's "Vaccines for Children Program" was first implemented.

Hillary's vaccine crusade was being pushed by her Children's Defense Fund mentor Marian Wright Edelman - even though U.S. child vaccination rates at the time were considered relatively high by medical experts.

But that didn't stop Sen. Clinton and her "reformers." She pressured Congress to back the disastrous plan in a bid to make vaccines more available to poor, uninsured and underinsured children. In the process she turned the government into the major purchaser and distributor of vaccines.

Oops! Unfortunately for the familles of the 11 children killed by the disease so far, things didn't quite work out the way Hillary had planned.

As noted by the Kansas City Star this week, the decision to force vaccine makers to discount their price resulted in "declining financial incentives to develop and produce vaccines."

What's more, the vaccination rate "barely budged" after the Hillary-Edelman brainchild was implemented.

Hillary's "reform" did, however, manage to leave the nation thoroughly unprepared to handle the current flu crisis.

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Old 12-16-2003, 07:46 PM
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I missed that in the NY Times. Funny.
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Old 12-16-2003, 07:58 PM
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Thanks for that post!

You can be sure she won't really be held accountable by the mainstream press.
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Old 12-16-2003, 08:06 PM
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humorous, but a bit off. I'll not be defending Hillary (ugh), or trying to convince anyone that government ought to solve all of their problems (it should not!). But connecting the dots and ignoring other important variables is irresponsible (a common rush slip). Vaccine manufacturers were certainly free as private companies to refuse to lower their prices and not sell to the government. They chose to up their volume at a reduced rate, thinking they'd win down the road. I'd be willing to wager that they indeed jockeyed for the govt. contract. That they might have desired to sell more of their product and that did them in is hardly the consumers fault, even if the consumer was Hill'ry.

Also, it's awfully easy to sit on one's arse (rush) and criticize everything that is seen, but it takes a LOT of doing to make the us government do anything. Vaccinating kids, especially those who have no access to healthcare is a BARGAIN for taxpayers who then are free to not pay for Polio wards, measels outbreaks, and tuberculosis sanitariums. As long as we are not guaranteed healthcare but simultaneously cringe when lepers wander blindly through the street, the government is going to pick up the tab for those who cannot. So, if the govt. did choose to buy as a group to lower the costs, good. That's less taxes I've got to pay.

Lastly, Hillary certainly had nothing to do with the flu vaccine being produced this year WITHOUT the strain that is currently circulating. That was a miscalculation on the manufacturers part. Trends in flu shot use made the vaccine makers destroy thousands of doses in past years, so they cut their losses. Sounds like reasonable business to me.

I don't have a problem holding people accountable when they are, and Hillary certainly was/is to blame for a lot... but for kids getting the flu? I think somebody needs more painkillers- he's getting desperate.
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For some reason, I'm still completely unconvinced that flu vaccines do any good.
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Old 12-16-2003, 09:51 PM
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For some reason, I'm still completely unconvinced that flu vaccines do any good.
I actually agree there. I've never had a flu shot in my life, but have never had a flu bad enough to keep me out of school for more than a day or two. I also wonder if the vaccine could have had a hand in the creation of the super-flu that's killing people off now...by forcing the virus to mutate in order to survive.

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Vaccinating kids, especially those who have no access to healthcare is a BARGAIN for taxpayers who then are free to not pay for Polio wards, measels outbreaks, and tuberculosis sanitariums.
I get the distinct impression that if conservatives/Libertarians had their way, taxpayers wouldn't be paying for the wards, sanitariums, etc either, and that if the people who did get tuberculosis or polio or their families couldn't afford to pay to go to these places, they'd be left out in the cold.

Ironic in a way; they are firm believers in social Darwinism but typicaly subscribe to the creationism theory without question... *shrug*
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"Ironic in a way; they are firm believers in social Darwinism but typicaly subscribe to the creationism theory without question... *shrug*"

Tweeeeet, fifteen yards for drive-by sarcasm.

I don't know what a typical libertarian is, but I haven't yet met a creationist who is a libertarian. Not that I'd mind. Folks want to believe it, that's okay with me.

Conservatives probably have some creationists among them, too. But I'd hardly suppose that all conservatives are creationists. I would guess that nearly all creationists are conservative, however. The rest are probably World Council of Churches Democrats.

I don't know any libertarians that are wholly orthodox, either. I doubt if even St Ayn was as orthodox as her writings.

There are plenty of good reasons to pay taxes or I wouldn't pay them. There are also a not insignificant number of bad reasons.

So far, I haven't seen a RepoDemo who could tell the difference unless they're out of power. Then they suddenly see all kinds of ways the other *********s are mis-spending the little guy's hard-earned money. Put'em in power and they forget.

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Old 12-16-2003, 10:53 PM
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maybe we should institute line-item taxation, along the lines of line-item veto. voting records would be pretty clear then eh?

We could institute a Kantian categorical imperitive test, then have at it (can you in good faith and with full understanding of the consequences wish that everyone would come to the same decision as you on this?):

Can you will that your action of not paying the tax specifically limited to keeping the military's don't ask don't tell like its fooling anyone anyway get over it it doesnt matter morale my a$$ plenty of good gays in history law would become a universal law?

Can you will that your action of not paying the tax specifically limited to spending on the maintenance of an anti-castro radio station that broadcasts at great expense daily across 90 miles of water to Cuba where noone listens or gives a crap take a damn hint it's been running without any impact whatsoever for so many years it's insane and he's about to die anyway give it a rest already Kennedy was president last time he misbehaved but at least they got to hear about elian gonzales why did we try to keep that kid anyway? would become a universal law?

Can you will that your action of not paying the tax specifically limited to requiring pharmaceutical companies to include 900 disclaimers in their "ask your doctor about X" or now the new trend of having no disclaimer at all due to the lack of any actual claim nice legal loophole there good thing they are getting around the big $$ spent on those important consumer protections who asks their damn doctor for a specific drug anyway its their job to tell you what you need how anoying for doctors when 'hey doc, should I take dexohematose? No, dumbass that is for hemopheliac diabetics after menopause not you teen age boy comercials would become a universal law?

Ok, that wouldn't work. but it was fun to write.
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Rush Limbah is a drug addict, remember? When was the last time you met an HONEST druggie? He is an "entertainer" not a source of information. Senator Clinton is much brighter than to have done something that short-sighted. Rush just made this one up.

Do some digging on your own and I suspect you will find that the vaccine manufacturers are trying to force large price raises on the public by deliberately under-supplying the vaccines. Common thing these days, just watch you gas bill.

The whole point of deregulation is to make it possible to drive supply down and form monopolies to screw the public. Wanna sell some electricity in California?

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Want to clean up government? Enact a law that makes lying by a politican a capital offense. If the political spin-doctors get caught up in the lying-game as well.....the axe for them too!

In the AJC yesterday, our former Fulton County Commission Chairman admitted to accepting bribes from contractors. The former City of Atlanta Mayor is steeped in corruption investigations.....meanwhile the city sewer system continues to belch raw sewage into the Chattahoochee River.

Meanwhile, taxes continue to raise.....services continue to deminish....
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mmm. Chattahoochee beach. Watch for floaters...

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