Work hard, don't get paid.

[Kuan]

The US Labor Department is giving tips to employers on how to avoid paying overtime. This is in anticipation of the new rules. Under the proposed new rules, employees who make more than $22,100 a year will be exempt from overtime. "Management" positions will be more clearly defined and be exempt from overtime as well. For example, nurses who "manage" medical assistants will be exempt.

http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/business/7642076.htm

[blackmercedes]

In Canada, if you're not unionized, you don't get paid overtime. The laws are so lax, and unenforced anyway, that we have many people that work ridiculous hours for little pay.

When I was management with the bank, they declared the clerical staff "management" (of who?) and suddenly they were working 80 hour weeks.

If we created stronger work week laws, it would create jobs. Historically, it has been a successful measure for creating jobs to compensate for productivity increases.

In the US, this sounds like the a move to Canadian style employment "management." We have "natural" unemployment of about 8% now, which has kept wages depressed depsite a strong economy. That 8% is misleading, as it represents the folks that are collecting unemployment insurance. The real figure is closer to 10%.

[sfloriII]

Once again the Feds step in to make things "better" for the common man.

Even as a business owner I think it stinks, the people who do take advantage of not paying overtime will end up paying more sick time, vacation time, personal time and have crappy help in the long run.

Treat employee's like you treat yourself and everything else will come together.

If you try to find ways not to pay people they will find more ways to screw you.

[jjl]

Medmech, good for you.

Once workers get that bad feeling of unfairness, things will unravel. It should be in the opposite direction - pay more for overtime, and profits will rise, long term. Enlightened self interest at work, at work.

Someone must have done a study of this somewhere.

[kerry]

Anyone besides me find it odd that a person who owns a share has more influence on management than the people who work at the company but don't own shares?

In my field, public education, things have been getting bad for a long time. Since 1988 our school has nearly tripled in size. Full time faculty have been reduced from 120 plus to less than 60. Part-time faculty have increased from 0 to 400. Part-time faculty get paid 15k a year for a full-time teaching load with no benefits at all and no guarantee of employment past the end of the semester.

[LV202]

Originally posted by kerry edwards
Anyone besides me find it odd that a person who owns a share has more influence on management than the people who work at the company but don't own shares?

In my field, public education, things have been getting bad for a long time. Since 1988 our school has nearly tripled in size. Full time faculty have been reduced from 120 plus to less than 60. Part-time faculty have increased from 0 to 400. Part-time faculty get paid 15k a year for a full-time teaching load with no benefits at all and no guarantee of employment past the end of the semester.

What a shame that is.

[3star]

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In Canada, if you're not unionized, you don't get paid overtime

BM

Most companies in the manufacturing sector tend to pay overtime to their employees on the production lines whether they are unionized or not. (Actually works out to be cheaper for the company than adding more staff). Infact, non-unionized companies tend to try and pay a little more just to keep the unions away.
A classic example is Dofasco Steel, which employees thousands of workers in their steel manufacturing facility who are all non unionized. Right next door is Stelco Steel, which has unionized employees. In over 75 years, the steel workers union has not been able to organize the workers at Dofasco because they are paid more, have better benefits and reap the rewards of profit sharing from a highly motivated company.

[kerry]

So in effect, both unionized and non-unionized workers are benefitting from a union.

[The Warden]

Originally posted by kerry edwards
So in effect, both unionized and non-unionized workers are benefitting from a union.

Sounds about right...and then the non-unionized people all too often turn around and start talking about how evil unions are and how they've never done the country or the labor force any good, while still indirectly benefitting from the union.

(sorry for the little outburst; I've just seen too many other hardline anti-union posts on another site)

I will admit that many unions have gotten far out-of-hand these days, but that doesn't minimize their necessity back when 12 to 14 hour days with no safety precautions and no overtime was the norm...back then, the businesses needed an organization to keep them in check. Now, the unions need something to keep them in check.

Okay, I'll shut up now...actually, I'm guessing that no one'll read this

Have a nice day

[mikemover]

Originally posted by kerry edwards
In my field, public education, things have been getting bad for a long time. Since 1988 our school has nearly tripled in size. Full time faculty have been reduced from 120 plus to less than 60. Part-time faculty have increased from 0 to 400. Part-time faculty get paid 15k a year for a full-time teaching load with no benefits at all and no guarantee of employment past the end of the semester.

And yet folks wonder why public education has gone to hell!....

I wouldn't teach under those circumstances, no matter how much I loved it, and I don't see how you deal with it. Ridiculous.

Three ideas:

Good teachers need to be paid what they are really worth.
Bad teachers need to be immediately fired--no tenure.
And people need to STOP BREEDING for a while!

Mike

[G-Benz]

Originally posted by mikemover

Three ideas:

Good teachers need to be paid what they are really worth.
Bad teachers need to be immediately fired--no tenure.
And people need to STOP BREEDING for a while!

Mike

...and stop paying administrators $300K for running a pathetic public school system...

[The Warden]

Originally posted by G-Benz
...and stop paying administrators $300K for running a pathetic public school system...

I think the administrators are paying themselves that amount. When I was in high school, the superintendent got fired for embezzeling funds...

And people wonder why the air conditioning project planned for my old high school was delayed halfway through construction for 50 years...