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Old 02-06-2004, 11:37 AM
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FL abductor, just crazy or else?

1stly, my condolences to everyone close to the victim.

is it most likely that the perp was simply crazy?

if so, is it unlikely that someone that knew the perp would not have known just how dangerous he potentially was? or, do these perps simply "snap" one day during lunch?

or, do these perps walk amongst us for years plotting their crimes?


i am usually largely less affected by the high-profile cases than by tragedies that strike closer to home, but seeing the images of the girl being abducted was very chilling.

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Old 02-06-2004, 12:58 PM
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A similar case to this happened to the small town in Ohio where I used to live. The girl was taken from a county fair, and the perp ended up being a neighbor. The chilling bit was that the perp had prior convictions, was on probation, and had been paroled from prison not long before kidnapping, abusing, murdering, and dismembering this girl. A previous case involving sex assault had been dismissed.

Anyway, the guy had been convicted PRIOR to the registration/ notification laws, and the conviction was of the category that his registration would have been required, but that the neighborhood did not need to be notified. So, the sherriff's office knew he was there but couldn't warn the neighbors. 6 months out, and he killed again. Clearly this guy was a danger. He did not just snap- he'd snapped years ago.

Here in atlanta the TV news just did a story on bus stops in front of the homes of people on the sexual offender/predator list. Too many for my tastes.

As for these cases, I think that people have tendancies but dont act on them- unless the opportunity arrises. Its the same with shoplifting, etc. However, I think there is some critical mis-firing of synapses going on that lets these perps think they can do these horrid things. I read today that the guy in FLA had a 'slow down kids at play' sign in his yard, and that his neighbors thought he was great with the kids. The experience for the family and community of the case in my former town was a nightmare, and I am sure that it is just as bad for these folks in FLA today. Awful.
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Old 02-06-2004, 02:18 PM
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Re: FL abductor, just crazy or else?

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1stly, my condolences to everyone close to the victim.

is it most likely that the perp was simply crazy?

if so, is it unlikely that someone that knew the perp would not have known just how dangerous he potentially was? or, do these perps simply "snap" one day during lunch?

or, do these perps walk amongst us for years plotting their crimes?


i am usually largely less affected by the high-profile cases than by tragedies that strike closer to home, but seeing the images of the girl being abducted was very chilling.
Time for the ol' sling blade.
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Old 02-06-2004, 02:24 PM
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As for these cases, I think that people have tendancies but dont act on them- unless the opportunity arrises. Its the same with shoplifting, etc. However, I think there is some critical mis-firing of synapses going on that lets these perps think they can do these horrid things. I read today that the guy in FLA had a 'slow down kids at play' sign in his yard, and that his neighbors thought he was great with the kids. The experience for the family and community of the case in my former town was a nightmare, and I am sure that it is just as bad for these folks in FLA today. Awful.

Edit: Some are predatory and advertise. There was a case around here with a guy that owned a converted school bus with dozens of bicycles aboard. The guy visited parks, fairs and you name it. He was arrested for being a pedophile. We saw his bus while on a camping trip in the Olympic peninsula area. The bus was remarkable. 2 years later I remember reading the story in the Times. Sounds like the guy in Florida had already hung out a shingle....
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Old 02-06-2004, 02:43 PM
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Re: Re: FL abductor, just crazy or else?

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Time for the ol' sling blade.
so, if the perp IS simply crazy; cant WE just show him the final exit door?

i am DAMN glad it wouldnt be my job to look the parents in the eye and say "well, the thing is, he IS sick, and deserves rehab and the chance to become a productive citizen again"
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Old 02-07-2004, 11:21 PM
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I would think the father would be charged with murder if he shoots him. Sad sad story about this girl.
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Old 02-07-2004, 11:28 PM
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So if the father shoots him, what do you think happens? Does the father get aquitted? Anyone?
In the 1980's a gay molester assaulted a young boy and fled the state (Louisiana) before trial. They caught the perv and announced his return flight on the news.

As you can imagine, lots of well-wishers showed, kind of like for Lee Oswald....

Among the crowd was the boy's gun toting Dad who dropped the perv dead and then dropped his own gun.

I think ol Dad got a firearms violation or something. The community thought he was a hero.
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In the 1980's a gay molester assaulted a young boy and fled the state (Louisiana) before trial. They caught the perv and announced his return flight on the news.

As you can imagine, lots of well-wishers showed, kind of like for Lee Oswald....

Among the crowd was the boy's gun toting Dad who dropped the perv dead and then dropped his own gun.

I think ol Dad got a firearms violation or something. The community thought he was a hero.
That was the story I was going to tell. It was quite the scene. He was had a fake beard on and was pretending to be on the phone. When the guy walked by in cuffs, he dropped the phone and shot the guy dead.

I am almost positive the Dad got probation of some kind, maybe 10 years. But he didn't spend a day in jail.

The kidnapping really bothered me. I have a daughter 2 years older than the victim and it turns my stomach to think of myself in that father's shoes for one second.

They have the guy in protective custody. Put him in with all the other criminals and let them take care of him! He can kill an 11 yr old girl but needs protection from other grown men? Huh.
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Old 02-08-2004, 11:09 AM
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The part of this that blow's me away is that this guy has been arrested 13 times in 11 years and people are asking how this seemingly normal guy could do this.

I maybe insulated a little but I find it somewhat of a stretch to call anyone with half his arrest record normal.

This guy needs torture. Maybe we can find some use for Saddams torture specialist.
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Old 02-08-2004, 11:12 AM
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They have the guy in protective custody. Put him in with all the other criminals and let them take care of him! He can kill an 11 yr old girl but needs protection from other grown men? Huh.
Ditto that I would pay for them to turn him loose in the woods and let me hunt him, I promise, no head shots.
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Absoultely sickening case. I agree on a higher level that vigilantism is wrong, but the utter failure of our so-called "justice" system to keep these perps off the streets makes it more and more attractive.

I don't have the exact figures handy, but something like 10% of all criminals perpetrate 70% of all major crimes (if someone has recent figures, please post). This guy had 13 prior convictions! Put him away and throw away the keys. This of course applies to his pre-kidnapping and murder days. If a case screams out for capital punishment it is this one. This of course also assumes that this was his first murder, which certainly may not be the case.

I strongly believe that some people are purely evil and will not be rehabilitated. I also believe that there are multiples of this number that are teetering on the brink. Deterrance may not work for the former, but will certainly have some affect on the latter. Sick bastards like this guy should be quickly put on trial and if convicted quickly sentenced to death and put away on national television. Punishment must be strong and swift. The national consciousness must be raised that we are not going to take it anymore!
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Old 02-08-2004, 12:54 PM
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Re: FL abductor, just crazy or else?

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1stly, my condolences to everyone close to the victim.

is it most likely that the perp was simply crazy?

if so, is it unlikely that someone that knew the perp would not have known just how dangerous he potentially was? or, do these perps simply "snap" one day during lunch?

or, do these perps walk amongst us for years plotting their crimes?


i am usually largely less affected by the high-profile cases than by tragedies that strike closer to home, but seeing the images of the girl being abducted was very chilling.
To try to answer some of your questions:

Is the suspect "crazy?" "Crazy" is not a term of art. I suppose that you could say that anyone who kidnaps a little girl, possibly rapes her, and then kills her is "carzy" because no "normal" person would do that. but if the suspect is truly crazy, then he cannot be held accountable for his acts. A better term is psychopath. Psychopaths know what they are doing and they choose to do "evil."

Could people around him know what he was capable of? POssibly, if they look hard enough. A trait of the psychopath is that they are able to mask their behavior and seem, to most, to be normal. Ted bundy and John Wayne Gacy are two examples that come to mind. If you look hard ehough, however, you can see little things that don't add up (or that add up to a psychopathic personality). Things like cruelty to animals, bully behavior, things like that. Those closest to the psychopath often "know," but they simply choose to ignore the clues.

These people do not just "snap." If you look at the record of these people, what you see is an escalation of their criminal behavior. Like a junkie, they need more and more stimulation. Additionally, thier crimes tend to escalate as they get better at committing crimes and thus become bolder and bolder.

For a really good description of the psychopath's mind Irecommend a book called WITHOUT CONSCIENCE--THE DISTURBING WORLD OF THE PSYCHOPATHS AMONG US. It is by Dr. Roberth Hare, who has written extensively on the subject. The book is a quick, yet disturbing, read.
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Old 02-08-2004, 04:39 PM
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Ditto that I would pay for them to turn him loose in the woods and let me hunt him, I promise, no head shots.
Can I join you?! Sounds like fun, and we'd be doing our "good deed for the day" while we're at it!

Meanwhile, I'm waiting for one of our resident "bleeding-hearts" here on the forum to post their reasons why this piece of dog$h!t shouldn't get the death penalty.

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Old 02-08-2004, 08:33 PM
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Re: Re: FL abductor, just crazy or else?

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A better term is psychopath. Psychopaths know what they are doing and they choose to do "evil."
For a really good description of the psychopath's mind Irecommend a book called WITHOUT CONSCIENCE--THE DISTURBING WORLD OF THE PSYCHOPATHS AMONG US. It is by Dr. Roberth Hare, who has written extensively on the subject. The book is a quick, yet disturbing, read.

Here's some folks who need their little heads pinched.

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