BMW driver insecurity - PeachParts Mercedes-Benz Forum

pentoman · #1 02-22-2004, 10:15 AM

OK I'll admit there are fools on all car message boards, but usually they are just kids messing.

Why do BMW ones tend to have (amongst largely sensible, intelligent people) a selection of clueless idiots? They can't be that stupid or young if they can afford an M5, so why do they act like they're 14 by imposing such blind, naive, biased, opinions on others?

On the upcoming Audi RS6 (the new A6 is not out for a while, and has never even been driven yet), which will have lamborghini's Gallardo V10:

I would take the new M5 over the Audi in a second.

First, auto versus stick - Advantage BMW
Second, overall handling - Advantage BMW
Third, the current M5 has more than enough power. With another 100, close to too much. The car is a perfect driver. - Advantage BMW
Fourth, the Audi should be much heavier. - Advantage BMW
Fifth, I would take a BMW engine over a Lamborghini engine any day of the week. How many GP wins does a V10 Lamborghini have? How is Lamborghini reliability? - Advantage BMW

http://www.m5board.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=38854

Too much power appears to be the latest reason for M5 competitors being rubbish. Straight line speed is no longer important.

So this guy WON'T boast non-stop if the new M5 has 640 bhp?
Try suggesting it might be too much just for BMW, and only a four-wheel drive car could harness it.

The human beings on the board thankfully pick him up on his lack of use of judgement.

Different poster:

but the car wont handle great as oppose to BMW they knew the e39 was beginning to push the limits of hp/ handling so they reinvent steering to cope with the new situation at hand

?! Active steering was developed because the M5 pushes the limits of hp/handling? More than a Formula 1 car? They have to re-invent steering? If this is to be believed, we must also believe that BMWs are rubbish at coping with power, because clearly there have been racing cars with more hp/handling since about 1951, and road cars with more of each since the '80s. They've never had to 're-invent' steering to cope.

Of course, testers reckon Active steering is gimmicky and the 5-series drives better without it.

At the same time, in other posts the general opinion is that if you need technology in a performance car it's obviously engineered badly.

BMW makes a great car. Some owners ruin its reputation, and for that I feel sorry for the other owners.

Finally, this apparently looks 'anonymous':

pentoman · #2 02-22-2004, 10:37 AM

Add the usual N/A hp/litre stuff:

ICONCLS, your so impressed by the rs6 it makes me laugh. First a twin turbo v8 that only produces 450 bhp compared to a n/a v8 with 400bhp thats the first big joke. what do think would happen if a m5 put a single turbo on

intelligent...

Anyone point out the S8's N/A V8 has 86 bhp/litre, versus an M5's 80?

#3 02-22-2004, 10:44 AM

Something I have noticed on the BMW boards espically with the M cars and newer 3 series is that they have so much smoke blowen up there $#@ that they can't think straight. The M cars a great and all but you try and find a repair manaul on them.
I've also noticed that on the BMW boards there are tons of kids just getting there permits or dl and mommy and daddy are giving them +20k to pick out a BMW. Look at DTM Power
The Picture below I found on a BMW board and had to save it
My 2 cents

j9fd3s · #4 02-22-2004, 12:22 PM

lol, when i commuted to menlo park area for work, its not uncommon to see m3's and m5's pass each other at an intersection, anonymus? no, exclusive? no!

#5 02-22-2004, 12:25 PM

back in the days of the m1, the first M535 and in 84 M5 (24 built). then it was something to own a M. I think any of the handbuilts would be nice to own. But as for what your saying your right they are everywhere

j9fd3s · #6 02-22-2004, 12:30 PM

haha, i had the only 83 rx7 in the parking lot

Holson Adi · #7 02-22-2004, 01:06 PM

While I know some MB fans are just as insecure and become as defensive when other people say $h1t about MBs, I've found more MB enthusiasts who are more willing to accept those comments and just stay happy with what they got.

check out www.m3forum.com

I think m5board is one of the better ones out there! There are at least more people who can look at other cars and see their merits too!

Don't get me wrong though.

The E39 M5 is one of my dream cars! Along with the W124 500E of course

pentoman · #8 02-22-2004, 02:01 PM

I just got back from Princeton BMW in New Jersey the other week and I am F'in heated! Those f'ers wanted me to take some kind of f'in appointment or at least announce myself before coming. I was about to beat the shiiiit out of those F'ers! Then they had the audacity to hook me up with this f'in dumpy Sherlock dude that I was utterly grossed out by. He was dirty and obese, I'm surprised BMW makes a car that fits him! I asked him if he drove a BMW and he said yeah he did. I thought I would butter that tub of shiiiit up so I threw him a compliment. I said, "what, a F'in FORKLIFT?" That SOB got irate! I couldn't see why he reacted in such a way after going out of his way to be obnoxious to me. From the moment I walked in, he thought he was some big tough guy and thought he was all special. I was thinking to myself, you sell cars, dude! He treated me as if I was some sort of trash off the street or some lower income trailer park (not that there is anything wrong with that) residing customer. I can't believe anyone would buy a car from Princeton BMW, they are utterly rude and dishonest! I say that any dealership in NJ would treat you with greater respect than the way I was treated at Princeton BMW!

I STRONGLY RECOMMEND GOING TO SOMEONE ELSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

BTW, Princeton BMW isn't even in F'in Princeton, the dip****s like to use the title to make them sound more elite. My f'in asss! They can kiss my assss, they will never earn my business! I am the F'in customer, they need to bend over and let me have my way with them, I don't give a shiiiiit, you hear!

!

xp190 · #9 02-22-2004, 02:10 PM

I know a 17 year old who bought a 50K biimmer.

he woudn't tell me where he got the money for it though.

go figure, if one can do it, why not more then one?

xp

AustinsCE · #10 02-22-2004, 04:10 PM

I tend to notice BMW owners are much less intelligent than MB owners. Its the same crap, MB cant make a engine so they supercharge it, more HP is bad, blah blah blah. Apparently lots of kids do drive Bimmers and they all sell drugs and what have you. I didnt know it was very common till I moved further south in CA. And I cant understand anyone take a BMW engine over a Lambo. I dunno that there are many Mercedes engines I'd take over one. I'd like to hear what they have to say for the SL65, is 712 HP low for twin turbos? Probably, since BMW aint doin it. Just read a magazine, 700 HP BMW I6. I said well, thats all fine and junk but wouldnt it a been easier taking a V12 and doing that? Apparently that wasnt the point. I dont get it....

#11 02-22-2004, 04:17 PM

if your talking about the e12 (pre 82 5 series) making 724hp man I dont know what your smoking. That is one neat car and it looks stock other than wheels on the outside. The point of it is to be a sleeper a mechanic owns it and races it. If I recall it ran like 11's with all +4000pounds.
You will find idiots with all makes of cars *cough Kia*

AustinsCE · #12 02-22-2004, 04:37 PM

it was a new 3 i think. The sleeper thing eludes me, just nonsense if a car is fast it should look that way. IMO.fast junk is fast junk, like a old rust bucket with a Hemi, and its just been played out too damn much. If someone in a ugly car wants to race obviously they know something you dont so you dont race. Dont get me wrong them big ol chunks of metal on the backs of crap, like KIa, is dumb too, with all the spiffy fiberglass and imitation carbon fiber. sleeper to me is like a 500E, plain old sedan with mad speed. Or the new E55. like that, not do something dumb like run bunches of HP through a little iddy biddy engine then wonder why it got 3K miles and exploded. Especially when MB is putting out stock engines with 700+, it would probably be economically sound in the end to get that. But thats just me, the other stuff gets some people off, more power to them.

#13 02-22-2004, 04:48 PM

How do you figure the E55 as a sleeper? If one pulls up next you you can see AMG brakes, wheels and a different stance than what any other E has.
A big reason I would see to have a sleeper would be cops. Are the going to be looking at you in a 30 year old sedan or the Honda with the wing, body kit, big wheels etc.
and is'nt the SL65 and AMG motor? If so thats not really a stock motor because AMG is just an in house tuner for Mercedes much like the M division of BMW.
O ya that three series I think your talking about is the Hartge H5 (?) that is a beast of a car there was a comparison I downloaded of Limewire of the M3, Alpina 3, and Hartge and the Hartge just used brut force in all aspects. They called it driving on the edge with the blip of the throttle. overdoing things? yes of course thats what america is built on

AustinsCE · #14 02-22-2004, 05:02 PM

Yeah but the cops are gonna notice anything going 120+, but right with the noticeability, however not my philosophy, i dont drive fast unless im racing at which point it wont matter what Im in. I always considered the M and AMG's stock in that the M3 stock is an M3 stock and a sl65 is a stock SL65, on the other hand yeah it is a tuned SL600, but whatever. you get what im saying. The e55 is a sleeper in that anyone can buy brakes or wheels or the body mods but I guess no mercedes can be a sleeper if its stock/stock-ish if you know what you're looking at. I see an E55 for 500E and I know better but some jerkoff thinks his SS is supercool or if the guy doesnt have a badge on the back...

On that American tuners are the best arent they? I mean, i guess they're all germans, but in this country, like Lingenfelter, Renntech is headed by the old AMG dude, feyhl(sp?)etc.

#15 02-22-2004, 05:10 PM

You would be suprised. 112 in a mini van and drove by a cop

I guess it's all in preference I would rather have a sleeper just because I don't like to flash the speed of untill the other car is looking at my tail lights.
The s10 with firebird motor, The 533, and the 500 all of which I would call sleepers