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Old 03-29-2004, 02:42 PM
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Kerry would make a bad hostage negotiator.

As I sit here focused on my greedy money hungry chores I have the news on the TV and don’t pay much attention to it unless I hear a pretty voice. While performing my work all of the sudden I became depressed, wondering why I look at the TV and John Kerry is giving a pep talk that goes like this. Were tired of all the broken dreams, were tired of no jobs, were tired of worrying about where our next paycheck is coming from. The guy has absolutely nothing good to say and no solutions if he really wanted to help those people he would say “get off your ass and do something” or “what are you doing here shouldn’t you be working or something”?

The guy can make a person feel like they need to jump off a cliff.

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Old 03-29-2004, 02:52 PM
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lol, Yeah, that would be a winning campaign speech,

"ladies and gentlemen as I stand here before you I can only ask, What the hell are you doing here? Don't you have jobs? If you don't shouldn't you be out looking?

It's Monday for christ sakes, people should be working on Monday, not screwing around at some rally. Do your bosses know you're here? Who is minding the store? Now get your lazy butts back to work before I call your supervisor and have him ship you worthless job off to india where it belongs"
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Old 03-29-2004, 03:22 PM
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It is one of the main concerns I have. That is, our manufacturing sector AND now tech sector going overseas and lowering, lowering the bar on global wages with the US as a good starting point. Bush does not address this with adequate enthusiasm and second, he has no real plan for attacking it. In addition, he is setting a precedent giving illegals citizenship.

Protect the American worker, part of the job. GW gets a D-.

The jobs going overseas are mostly low tech manufacturing. Manufacturing has had great growth in the last 12 months, many specialized companies are growing at rates exceeding 30%.

I know many computer guys are complaining about low level programming jobs being out sourced but that’s the way the square ball skids, I'm sure many buggy whip craftsman felt the same impact with the invention of the automobile.

John Kerry hasn't been living by his plan, his own campaign call center was located in Canada, Heinz has out sourced over 75% of production.

Our cars have been built mostly in Mexico for 20 years, and illegal have been here longer than that. The illegals are doing the jobs that everyone thinks their above doing and we can finally tax them.

I’ve been impacted by outsourcing, I see much of my former occupation being sent to Mexico repair depots but I didn’t wait for the government to fix things for me, I got a new job.

I have to research it but a couple of Kerry‘s “ideas” are already in the senate.
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Old 03-29-2004, 03:34 PM
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spOcK give me examples prove your case, I'm willing to listen.
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Old 03-29-2004, 04:30 PM
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So, what we need is a pres that'll both take care of the economy and homeland security. Seems with either candidate, we're only going to get half the package, no matter who wins.
I don't like that.

Back to Pat Paulson for pres, I guess.
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Old 03-29-2004, 05:01 PM
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"Although reforming the tax code has proved to be a lackluster political issue in recent years, Mr. Kerry's advisers believe the furor over outsourcing makes eliminating overseas tax breaks an initiative voters will readily embrace. They couple the proposal with corporate-tax-rate cuts. In essence, Kerry will offer a trade: He would cut taxes on U.S. corporations in exchange for forfeiting current tax benefits for moving money and jobs overseas... In doing so, Kerry is seeking to position himself as a moderate, pro-business Democrat"
I think this is the one already in congress.
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Old 03-29-2004, 05:14 PM
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I think the bannishment made spOck feel a little more human:p
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Old 03-29-2004, 05:22 PM
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I have to take a closer look on Kerry's stance on terrorism. One thing I do like about him is that he is a Vietnam Vet. I have read the anti-Kerry people and their Vietnam Vet against Kerry excerpts. I have to say I was actually more impressed with his record than not.
I guess I'll have to do more reading. I'm not sure just having "served" qualifies a person as being better at protecting the country. But I'll try and do more homework here.
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I guess I'll have to do more reading. I'm not sure just having "served" qualifies a person as being better at protecting the country. But I'll try and do more homework here.
I've never quite gotten that either. I mean if your job was head of counterintelligence or something, sure, but Kerry drove boats, Bush flew planes. If we are short a boat captain or pilot great, but otherwise, who cares.
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Old 03-29-2004, 08:13 PM
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I have to take a closer look on Kerry's stance on terrorism. One thing I do like about him is that he is a Vietnam Vet. I have read the anti-Kerry people and their Vietnam Vet against Kerry excerpts. I have to say I was actually more impressed with his record than not.
So what. Just because he is a veteran, doesn't make him a leader. Dig a bit more into his history, especially shortly after his return from 'nam.

The man courted the communist party during his anti war activist years.

The man claims to be "against special interests." Oddly enough, he has his own list of special interests, every bit as long as Bush's list.

The man is too deep in bed with the environmental extremists. He's never set foot inside Yellowstone in winter, yet seems to think that throwing out the vast majority of the winter visiting public, and destroying the local economies of the surrounding towns is acceptable. So much for being "for the people."

He wants to reverse the tax cuts. Sorry, but that "richest one percent" being the only benefitting people is nothing more than abject liberal lying. I compared my taxes between 02 and 03. Guess what, little ole me - who is squarely in the middle of the middle class bracket - got a tax cut. Sorry kerry, but YOU are NOT welcome to take MY income out of MY wallet!

The man is a gold digger. He dumped on heiress to latch on to the heinz heiress, who was consequently worth approximately twice as much money. So much for being "in tune with the common folk." He views himself as much of an elitest as the kennedy's, and the klinktons.

The man is a two faced, trash talking, fraud of a politician. The pile of sewer rot is has no clue on what this country needs to reverse the continuing degradation of our standards of living, income, or morals.
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Old 03-29-2004, 08:40 PM
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Awm, C'mon, DP, don't be so shy. Holding back wont do any good. Tell us what you really think of Kerry!

Spock, if XXX industry is outsourcing overseas for cheaper labor, is it a good idea to prevent that from happening? If so, what should we do, make outsourcing illegal?

Or how about making the labor rates competitive? How would you suggest we make labor rates competitive?

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Old 03-29-2004, 09:14 PM
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FACT: Millions of good American jobs are being lost and will continue to be lost to greedy corporate America NOT innovation.
Forrester published a study last year estimating that 3.3 million white collar jobs, including 500,000 in IT (not millions), would be moved offshore through 2015; they were probably overestimating, because they publish these reports to sell their services to somebody interested in the field. The BLS estimates that less than 1% of jobs lost are due to outsourcing. By comparison, 2 million US jobs are churned per month from all sources - it's a drop in the bucket. John Kerry and the Democrats have hit on offshoring as the economic phobia du jour; You may feel the pinch from offshoring in your sector and cast your vote with that focus, but all this cr*p about government incentives to move jobs offshore is the usual campaign year b.s. Most of the jobs being sent offshore would eventually otherwise be lost to the real driver - automation.

Productivity, in the long run, is the only way the standard of living in an economy can advance; in the short run it's defined as more output produced by the same number of man hours - or the same output produced by less, i.e. job losses. Manufacturing used to employ over 50% of working Americans; today it's 12-14%, but more is produced than ever before - even China has lost 15 million manufacturing jobs from 1995-2002. Agriculture used to employ over 50% of working Americans, now its 2.5%, producing more food than ever before. The same thing is happening in IT.

Example: I know a company very well whose selling proposition for a specific niche of enterprise software is based on measurable cost reductions (i.e. reduced headcount) in the IT department, i.e. ROI, return on investment. Those jobs are lost to automation, not India (in fact, many of those jobs are probably in India). Productivity is up, costs are down. Should the feds prohibit this company, and hundreds of others like it, from selling their product?

This has been going on for years (decades?), and yet the number of adults employed, and the percentage of adult participation in the workforce, is close to all-time highs and recovering. Employment has been at a cyclical low since the 2000 peak; within a year or two this will all be a memory. I remember thinking that the 1981-82 and 1991-92 recessions were the end of the world - and they seemed that way for those whose jobs were structurally, and permanently replaced. For the economy as a whole, and for the people filling the millions of net new jobs created, perspective was easier. Between 1980 and 2002, the US population grew by 24%; the number of employed Americans grew by 37%. It'll happen again.
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"The jobs going overseas are mostly low tech manufacturing. Manufacturing has had great growth in the last 12 months, many specialized companies are growing at rates exceeding 30%. "

I can think of a few manufacturing companies in my area that are packing-up and moving to China. That's just in the last year! BASF, Air Products, Kerr-Mcgee, and Syngenta to name a few. These were huge plants with many thousands of jobs. The corporations all said that it is cheaper to pack the plant up piece by piece and move to China than to stay in the US.
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Old 03-29-2004, 10:18 PM
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Heinz has out sourced over 75% of production
Kerry married the widow who had married her way into the Heinz fortune. Does he have much say in Heinz's corporate policy?
It seems to me his policy might in fact take a bite out of his wife's inheiritance.

I'm surprised that the tone of both parties campaign ads are already so negative. By the time the fall comes around it's goiong to be really ugly.
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Old 03-29-2004, 11:13 PM
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"So what. Just because he is a veteran, doesn't make him a leader. Dig a bit more into his history, especially shortly after his return from 'nam.

The man courted the communist party during his anti war activist years."


Duh, me just stoopid crowmagna man me glad yoo hear to st..duh.strrrraitn me out. Der I taut aww peepoles was leeders jus caz dey in dat miltery,...daarhhh.

I am so glad there are so many here who realize how inherently retarded of me to consider a military man for President. Secondly, check your FACTS about the second statement up there. I'll give a little more time until I rip you a new one for that. But here's a hint "PLOY."
Rip away all you want. It's fact. Kerry was quoted as not wanting to distance himself from the communist party as it helped add numbers to the antiwar movement.

Sorry bub, but your failed attempt at imitating a southern inbred idiot isn't going to change that fact one bit.

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