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Old 06-04-2004, 08:30 PM
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Me too. See ya at the movies.

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Old 06-04-2004, 09:31 PM
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Wonder how much Bush and Cheney learned from this guy on how to carry on a Soviet-style dis-information campaign to sucker us all into "nation building" in Iraq?
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Old 06-04-2004, 09:33 PM
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Lawfully elected by a free people. Checks and balances of Congress, Courts, free press, and people. They haven't quite got to the 20 million murders of fellow citizens yet.

Aside from that, I see your point.

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Old 06-04-2004, 09:40 PM
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Ya your right, I should have said they learned how to carry on a disinformation campaign from this guy, Mr. Chalabi. The other guy is just their soul inspiration.
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Old 06-04-2004, 09:52 PM
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Lawfully elected by a free people. Checks and balances of Congress, Courts, free press, and people. They haven't quite got to the 20 million murders of fellow citizens yet.

Aside from that, I see your point.

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Seems a quatitaveliy correct response. Goebbels, fascist Jew baiter, accomplice to the murder of 11 million Jews, Gypsies, homosexuals, Poles and Russians, compared to fat guy with camera who says things that piss of Republicans.
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Old 06-04-2004, 10:07 PM
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Hmmm.... I recall a comment by you. Hope it was in jest.
In regards to Jews? If your inferring I made some type of anti-semetic comment, then your about as wrong as you'll ever be.
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Old 06-04-2004, 10:10 PM
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Oh, pretty pictures.

Tell my Khmer wife how great planned economies are.

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and GASP!! Her cousin who has been dreaming of coming to America named his latest child "George"!!

Last January I was in Cambodia, telling him (and others) how people in this country cry and ***** how bad things are here. One of her cousins told me to please bring her baby back with us to America.
What the hell has that got to do with anything? You post a picture of a Nazi, I post a picture of a Commie back, and now I support the Khemer Rouge? Following that logic, should I now post a picture of Auschwitz and infer you support gassing of Jews?
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Old 06-04-2004, 10:42 PM
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Because I'm sick of your ilk crying all the time.

Most of the Open Forum has become a ***** fest -- no wonder some of the best minds (old timers, who PM me) stay away.
I don't know what to say to that man. I look at the views on these more contentiois threads, and they number in the thousands, so somebody's reading it. I lnow things can degenerate into the personal when colliding world views intersect, but for the most part the point and counter point is fact against fact and opinion against opinion. It's generally a pretty good exchange of ideas, and I bet anyone involved gets motivated to think a little deeper about the issues. Some people get uncomfortable when they have their preconceptions challenged. A public forum is meant to be a place where everybody agrees.
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Old 06-05-2004, 01:40 AM
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Sorry about the rant...

I live in an area where progressive views are commonplace, some of which I agree with, but most I see as invasive. "Don't Tread on Me".

Not sure if a public forum is where everyone agrees, I see it as a marketplace of ideas. Nonetheless...

Mentally, I'm generally tired these days. Only Bot know what I do for a living and it can literally drain your mind. PM me if it all interested. You might me suprised.
The "everyone agrees" was typo, I meant "not etc". As a champion ranter, I know what you mean. I listen to customers all day rant at me, come here and rant a liitle back.
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Old 06-05-2004, 06:03 AM
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Because I'm sick of your ilk crying all the time.

Most of the Open Forum has become a ***** fest -- no wonder some of the best minds (old timers, who PM me) stay away.
Ditto that. Some people have so little or no quality of life they are left to do nothing other than rant on these forums because they are left with nobody else to listen to their BS. I stick around because the unhappy ranters balance things out, since I rarely run into such unhappy people in real life.

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Old 06-05-2004, 11:28 AM
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Michael and Me

Posted on Sat, Jun. 05, 2004

Moore gets a dose of his own

Twin Cities filmmaker aims to reveal famous documentarian's bias

BY CHRIS HEWITT

Pioneer Press

In his controversial films, Michael Moore has been the David taking down corporate Goliaths. But now, a local David wants to take down Moore.

Twin Cities filmmaker Mike Wilson's upcoming "Michael Moore Hates America" details his unsuccessful attempts to interview Moore, the director who won an Oscar two years ago for "Bowling for Columbine." Moore's earlier film, "Roger and Me," detailed his own failed attempts to interview General Motors honcho Roger Smith.

Wilson says his documentary tries to point out the biases behind Moore films such as "Bowling" and the highly anticipated "Fahrenheit 9/11," which will be released June 25 and which Wilson has not seen. He says it's not only a response to Moore but also to others who have added to "the shrillness that has engulfed the American conversation."

At least three months before its release, the film has catapulted Wilson into national prominence. When an item about "Michael Moore Hates America" appeared on a showbiz Web site earlier this week, Wilson says, he was contacted by nine distributors who want to help book the documentary into theaters.

Wilson says two things persuaded him to make his first film. One was "Bowling," in which Moore tells the story of a Flint, Mich., schoolgirl killed with a handgun, an incident Moore implied occurred because the assailant's mother was distracted from having to work two jobs as a result of changes in Michigan welfare laws.

"He left out a lot of stuff that was widely reported in the media at the time," says Wilson, 28, who says death threats have persuaded him not to reveal where in the Twin Cities he lives or works as a marketing writer. "But the real reason that bothered me is my mom worked two jobs when I was a kid, and it was like a personal slap to her to say you can't work two jobs and raise your children properly. My mom worked really hard, and she taught us right from wrong."

The final straw was Moore's 2003 Oscar acceptance speech, in which he characterized the war in Iraq and President Bush as "fictional." The remarks drew a mix of applause and jeers from the tuxedo-clad crowd. "Afterwards, I was saying to Chris Johnson, who's a producer of the movie, 'I guess I don't need to make my Michael Moore movie because he already made a jackass of himself.' "

But Wilson decided to go ahead with the project, conducting dozens of interviews. None of them with Moore, despite "at least 50" attempts. Moore did not return Pioneer Press phone calls seeking comment for this story.

"The closest I got was I did run into him at the (University of Minnesota) when he was on his book tour, and he started screaming at me," says Wilson. The screaming began when Wilson mentioned the title of his film in the middle of asking a question. "It was quite a sight — 7,000 Michael Moore fans, just booing me."

Wilson will finish "Michael Moore Hates America" by August. "The interviews are mostly shot, but we are actually kind of right-heavy now," says the director, who describes himself as a Libertarian who voted for Bush. "We've talked to a lot of people who don't like Michael Moore, but I'd like to talk to some more who do."

The budget for the film is $200,000, some of it supplied by Seattle-based entrepreneur Brian Cartmell, who stumbled upon Wilson's Web site, www.michaelmoorehatesamerica.com, which spoofs "Roger and Me." By comparison, "Fahrenheit 9/11" cost $6 million.

Wilson says he expects to make an announcement next week about when the film will be released, but it definitely will be after Moore has his say with "Fahrenheit 9/11," a documentary about Bush's response to the events of Sept. 11.

"What I'm out to influence is how people perceive what he's telling them. I just want them to know documentary makers are inherently dishonest. They walk into something with a point of view," Wilson says.

He doesn't exclude himself from that charge. "I'm being very honest," he says. "I'm manipulating (audiences) with this film."
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Old 06-05-2004, 11:32 AM
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I saw Drudge give this guy his fifteen minutes of fame. Now that its over, he'll never be heard from again.

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