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Old 07-29-2014, 09:34 AM
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Note that Jefferson said that one of the founding principals of our nations was, "Life, Liberty and the pursuit of happiness."

We, as a nation, are dedicated to the pursuit of happiness for everyone as long as it is within legal limits.

If forcing others to live by your standards is your pursuit of happiness then by all means go for it. Just don't be shocked if others pursue happiness in their own, and different, way.
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Old 07-29-2014, 10:29 AM
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I bought this subject up with a Middle East historian yesterday. He said that plural marriage was common 3,000 years ago for a very good reason, none of which apply today.

First there was the tradition of the Father picking the Husband for his daughters. This was a pretty strict rule and fathers were not going to give up their daughters to just any old loser. The subject of love did not enter into the situation since the daughters almost never knew the guy until the day they married him.

So if you were a bum and expected a father to give you the hand of the hottest babe in town then you needed to consider your grip on reality. If you were a successful man who could give a woman, or women, a life their father would be happy with then you could hook up with as many women as you could convince the fathers to let you have. But if things did not work out you were stuck with them. You didn't have to look at them but you did have to pay all their bills for the rest of your life.

Some cultures had the practice of a dowery, some did not, and it was always up to the father anyway as to if the amount was large or small. It was the long term care the woman would receive that came first if the father was a good father.

Somewhere along the way the Muslims came up with some rules on the subject since they varied so much from one place to another. There was also, among some cultures, the problem of finding husbands for the girls in the order of their ages and rules had to be developed to deal with that situation.

But times have changed. Anyway.... If you ever wondered how this all got started, well, now you know.
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I have never proposed that people be FORCED to live by my standards. That is not my point. My point is that as more people choose to live by these reduced standards our country decays further and further.

You can stick your head in the sand if you choose and refuse to recognize the societal decadence, but denying that it is there does not make it go away.

Those choosing sleazy lifestyles are contributors to the decadence. This is the danger of the "if it feels good do it" spoiled society.
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If a man has two wives and he gets divorced from both of them does he end up with half or a third of the property?
pretty sure they each get half, and he gets nothing.
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Old 07-29-2014, 12:48 PM
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I have never proposed that people be FORCED to live by my standards. That is not my point. My point is that as more people choose to live by these reduced standards our country decays further and further.

You can stick your head in the sand if you choose and refuse to recognize the societal decadence, but denying that it is there does not make it go away.

Those choosing sleazy lifestyles are contributors to the decadence. This is the danger of the "if it feels good do it" spoiled society.
I have never forced anyone to live by my standards. I just use them to condemn others. I have never advocated locking up black men. I just know they are degenerates and condemn them as so using my standards, of course.
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I have never forced anyone to live by my standards. I just use them to condemn others. I have never advocated locking up black men. I just know they are degenerates and condemn them as so using my standards, of course.
I certainly hope that you are not suggesting that I approve of or encourage such heinous racial behavior that you describe. If so this is a SERIOUS and unfair DIRECT INSULT!
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I have never proposed that people be FORCED to live by my standards. That is not my point. My point is that as more people choose to live by these reduced standards our country decays further and further.

You can stick your head in the sand if you choose and refuse to recognize the societal decadence, but denying that it is there does not make it go away.

Those choosing sleazy lifestyles are contributors to the decadence. This is the danger of the "if it feels good do it" spoiled society.
Which is why Conservatives never pass laws forcing people to live by their standards.
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I certainly hope that you are not suggesting that I approve of or encourage such heinous racial behavior that you describe. If so this is a SERIOUS and unfair DIRECT INSULT!
Not that particular behavior but along the SAME PRINCIPLE
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Which is why Conservatives never pass laws forcing people to live by their standards.
True conservative people or those that find the association closer to their value system and call themselves conservative?
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I have never forced anyone to live by my standards. I just use them to condemn others. I have never advocated locking up black men. I just know they are degenerates and condemn them as so using my standards, of course.
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Not that particular behavior but along the SAME PRINCIPLE
I respectfully request an apology for suggesting that i would do something so obviously racially heinous.
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True conservative people or those that find the association closer to their value system and call themselves conservative?
That is a complex question, but an easy answer might be to look at the laws passed in Texas over the last few years and then ask the majority of the Texas House and Senate if they self identify as Conservatives.

They will say yes, we are Conservatives and we are proud of the laws we passed to restrict voting rights, ease gun restrictions, restrict constitutional protected rights and to make up immigration laws to suit the moment.

Breaking a US treaty with Mexico because you don't agree with the Treaty? No problem! Bragging about how your only accomplishments have been to sue Obama? A sure path to victory at the polls. Spending taxpayers money to support your run for President? It's all good if you are a Conservative Governor.

Driving the state $24,000,000,000 in debt and refusing to do anything about it? Bringing in 4,500,000 people and doing nothing about providing increases infrastructure for their water needs? Turing the highway department over to a Spanish company? Yup, solid Conservative values.

At least they are in Texas.
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Which is why Conservatives never pass laws forcing people to live by their standards.
Or vice-versa, right? I mean, so-called "liberals" would never impose their morality on others.
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Well, here's some good news.....

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I respectfully request an apology for suggesting that i would do something so obviously racially heinous.
I never said you would do it. Just that the PRINCIPLE is the same. Condemning SOMEONE ELSE based on YOUR value system. Do I want to engage in polyamory? Not really. It might be a nice fantasy but once you put in all the factors, like everything else, it could become a nightmare. However, if someone can make it work, more power to them. Caveat is that all involved must not be violating someone's rights like if one of the involved is a minor. Beyond that, can you tell me what business we have in their affair? If the girl wants 365 men a year and can make it work, good for her. I wouldn't myself but that is her. Guy wants bisexual or gay sex with other men? WGAS? Not me. Do I want to restrict them? Nope. Not my affair unless they force me to be one of the other men.
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So you directly insult me and dance around an apology. It doesnt get much scummier than an insult and then refusing an apology.
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