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Old 07-16-2015, 02:20 PM
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Clearly, the stereotype of "illegal alien" espoused by a billionaire Presidential candidate is quite entrenched. Well, if that's the sole image one has of undocumented immigrants, then there's really no point or need for further discussion.
As is the stereotype of the "undocumented pharmacist", aka drug dealer. Not all are violent. Some just sell to feed their habit. Not all rapists kill their victims. Some are even nice and leave them alive like Bill Cosby. So is what Bill Cosby did ok? He does have needs and we can all agree that sex is quite a strong drive so maybe he wasn't so bad a guy? Just horny? He didn't kill anyone.
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Old 07-16-2015, 02:36 PM
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Maybe the illegals can make us great, maybe they cannot. I do know that it is easier to make $10000 from $1000 than $100 from $500 under. As I said, it is a negative in the ledger when you break into someone's place. OTOH, Bill Cosby seemed to think it was ok but the crazy women didn't.
Uhhhh . . . OK.
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Old 07-16-2015, 02:47 PM
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Uhhhh . . . OK.
Do you refute the principle?
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Do you refute the principle?
No one should try to refute the things in your head.
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Old 07-16-2015, 04:05 PM
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No one should try to refute the things in your head.
Thats what I like about you. How slick you can make a statement and deftly avoid an inconvenient answer. Too bad Trump didn't hire you to craft his media points or he'd be stuck with a job he probably didn't want
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Old 07-17-2015, 03:38 AM
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No one should try to refute the things in your head.
That way lies madness, good pilgrim.
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Clearly, the stereotype of "illegal alien" espoused by a billionaire Presidential candidate is quite entrenched. Well, if that's the sole image one has of undocumented immigrants, then there's really no point or need for further discussion.
Clearly your POV of the argument makes assumptions based on more assumptions. Quite lawyerly of you...
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No one should try to refute the things in your head.
It's an idea- which you seem to have issues discussing without resorting to tactics which are better suited to a courtroom than a discussion of ideas.
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Clearly your POV of the argument makes assumptions based on more assumptions. Quite lawyerly of you...
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Love and miss you too, mi amore.
Does that work in court? Does it work at the water cooler when dealing with pesky interns? When you are watching TMZ and want to practice your wit so you pretend you are in the room commenting with the other millennials?
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Old 07-17-2015, 11:50 AM
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If one looks at the fact of the matter, the vast majority of 'illegal' (<- there I said it!!) immigrants are not criminals or even criminal types. Sooo, in fact, Mexico is basically just a source of cheap, common labor.

Now I'm a racist for merely point out a fact.

fwiw, I worked in construction for forty years where the majority of the laborers were mexicans, (when they became refered to as 'chicanos' they were offended, 'I'm not a effing chicano, I'm a mexican' <- what they said). I had & still have a lot of mexican friends.
Some didnt like me, but not because one of us was or is white & one brown. I disliked some but 'not because one of us was or is white & one brown', or black, or yellow, or whatever.
I just do not like some people.

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Old 07-17-2015, 12:53 PM
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If one looks at the fact of the matter, the vast majority of 'illegal' (<- there I said it!!) immigrants are not criminals or even criminal types. Sooo, in fact, Mexico is basically just a source of cheap, common labor.

Now I'm a racist for merely point out a fact.

fwiw, I worked in construction for forty years where the majority of the laborers were mexicans, (when they became refered to as 'chicanos' they were offended, 'I'm not a effing chicano, I'm a mexican' <- what they said). I had & still have a lot of mexican friends.
Some didnt like me, but not because one of us was or is white & one brown. I disliked some but 'not because one of us was or is white & one brown', or black, or yellow, or whatever.

I just do not like some people.

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I think you just contradicted yourself. If you are here illegally, how did you figure you didn't do something criminal? If I broke into your house without your consent, how am I not doing something illegal?

Actually, you are throwing out red herrings. Race is a particularly good one since it scares anyone into being on the defensive. You are the one trying to make it a race issue to obfuscate any argument. Me wanting to do a UV check of EVERY $100 bill isn't racist. Me wanting to do the same for any one race is. Me asking that you ask permission before entry isn't racist. Me allowing one group to enter with the old "nod and a wink" is.

If you are mentioning FWIW, I'm not sure it is worth much from the standpoint of relevance.

So you don't like everyone. Not a crime.
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I think any American should ask themselves just why heavy illegal immigration is and has been allowed. We Canadians have little trouble giving Mexicans temporary work permits for say six months when an employer qualifies to use them. In fact a towns factory twenty miles away always has a large seasonal influx of them.

Usually occurs when there is a shortage of local labor willing to do their jobs. Things are so unbalanced that Canadian families are far better off on welfare than working for say 400-500 dollars a week. This is typical minimum wage here. Mexicans must be paid the minumin scale at least as well.

Welfare also seems to be killing what we call the work ethic. We do not have enough decent paying jobs to employ the total society under any circumstances anyway. In fact more and more young people the Canadian education and culture system is producing are not fit to employ as well.

There is no way this overall bad situation gets the Mexicans permanent status here either. They are all vetted for criminal records etc before arriving.

They work their permit time and return to Mexico with a good portion of their wages. The temporary workers cannot bring their families in either for the time they are here.

Unfortunatley a very high a percentage of legal immigrants land up living in only a few large Canadian cities. This is perhaps at least one problem Americans are not experiencing like Canada is. There at least may be some relief from this Canadian problem with illegal American immigration if it is well spread out.

The employer in Canada must comply with many things with temporary Mexican workers and it is their responsibility to pay their way here and return. Any employer caught abusing this in any fashion would face severe penalties.

You Americans have a pretty much an open southern border situation. This does not help illegals unless internal support of their presence is allowed. There has to be some rational in an American think tank that has allowed this more or less to occur. If not one would think the country is at least partially out of control.

It is also pretty evident that it may get completely out of control with illegal immigration at some point if not already. Logically it encourages people that cannot function legally in their own society and nothing is really done about at least screening this portion of the element that arrives.

Currently as I understand it Canada has totally closed the door to any Chinese immigration. No matter how much money the individual Chinese person has. For a short time the very wealthy where allowed in but many of them returned to China.

I could mention many serious current issues in Canada that are not being addressed or even officially acknowledged. Control of who gets in the country is not really one of them. At the same time I suspect Americans have many if not more issues than Canadians that are also not being addressed properly at all either.

I can think of many countries that also have this issue. Just not the so called developed ones. Other than England perhaps but even being there totally illegally probably means they get caught and deported at some point. It is almost impossible for Canadians to get a clear picture of the United states now. Or at least for us older Canadian guys that once where able to understand it.

We Canadian Maritime locals assumed with the low current oil prices we would have seen many of the laid off local people. Or those of them that went west to the oil sands returning.

It is not happening. So now I must assume that they are waiting for higher oil prices to return. We cannot afford to pay 40-60 dollars an hour for unskilled labor locally.

Many things both in the United States and Canada seem to be seriously distorted compared to what once was. Yet many of us at the same time have never experienced greater prosperity . The have and have not separation is rapidly growing. Although the so called poor are also somewhat better off than ever on average in Canada.
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Kicking ration is a HUGE part of what made America great at one time. Yes, immigration did that, LEGAL immigration did that. Immigrants that start out as criminals are NOT what can make America great again.
You must have a dim view of Australia.
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