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Old 07-08-2015, 05:57 PM
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I have refrained from voting libertarian for a long time, mainly because of their stance on legalizing drugs, but the time may very well have finally come for me. You can't find an individual or a party with which you can agree 100%.

It is just hard to imagine voting for a republocrat this time. I expect that the choice will be thunder thighs and one of the many non conservative republicans, so what is the point?
Demopublican or Republicrat
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Well, here's your 2016 Libertarian candidates, so far

Libertarian Party Presidential Candidates 2016

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Old 07-08-2015, 06:08 PM
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Clearly you have no choice, you must vote libertarian!
Assuming one runs, my steak dinner to your hamburger says they don't win POTUS
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That libertarian website looks like it runs on a budget that would not keep Air Force One full of fuel for a year.
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Old 07-08-2015, 06:30 PM
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That libertarian website looks like it runs on a budget that would not keep Air Force One full of fuel for a year.
Whoa. Lets not go there yet. I don't think it will pay for my fuel bill for a year.
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Old 07-08-2015, 06:36 PM
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That libertarian website looks like it runs on a budget that would not keep Air Force One full of fuel for a year.
That was a candidate tracking site, here's the real Libertarian Party's site:

Libertarian Party | Maximum Freedom, Minimum Government

wicked cool, no?
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That's more like it.
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That was a candidate tracking site, here's the real Libertarian Party's site:

Libertarian Party | Maximum Freedom, Minimum Government

wicked cool, no?
Now you tell me. I would have joined but I just came back from the local "Maxwell Street Days" and spent the $25 on hamburgers, brats, corn, popcorn and banana bread. Oh well
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The Republicrats have so stacked the laws in favor of two parties that 3rd party people have a vastly reduced chance, though it is possible. Like Bernie Sanders, for example. Also, the history of the USA demonstrates that the dominant parties can collapse. Here's hoping!

To me, every legal vote is important and hugely valuable. They are of equal value regardless for whom they are cast. Thus, a cast legal vote is never, ever wasted.

Every vote of every voter sends a message. Voting for the status quo parties reinforces the two "status quo" parties. They are the parties that have given us our tax system, welfare system, national defense system, etc. In my opinion, if there is a way to waste a legal vote, that is it.
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The Republicrats have so stacked the laws in favor of two parties that 3rd party people have a vastly reduced chance, though it is possible. Like Bernie Sanders, for example. Also, the history of the USA demonstrates that the dominant parties can collapse. Here's hoping!

To me, every legal vote is important and hugely valuable. They are of equal value regardless for whom they are cast. Thus, a cast legal vote is never, ever wasted.

Every vote of every voter sends a message. Voting for the status quo parties reinforces the two "status quo" parties. They are the parties that have given us our tax system, welfare system, national defense system, etc. In my opinion, if there is a way to waste a legal vote, that is it.
Let's say I make them disappear tomorrow. What will 2 new or even 5 new do? They still have to make backdoor deals and pander so how will we not get more of the same?
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Have the two parties stacked things in their favor, or is it just the result of over a century of being "in business?'

The "Tea Party" isn't a third party, but rather it's a "wing" in the GOP and might be called a "disrupter" in modern business parlance. Likewise, Ron Paul, and now his son, Rand, are libertarian disrupters in the GOP.
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Have the two parties stacked things in their favor, or is it just the result of over a century of being "in business?'

The "Tea Party" isn't a third party, but rather it's a "wing" in the GOP and might be called a "disrupter" in modern business parlance. Likewise, Ron Paul, and now his son, Rand, are libertarian disrupters in the GOP.
I would try to stack it in my favor if I got the chance, wouldn't you? I can't say I blame them for what they do since we would do the same. That and that maybe they have been in business for a while. Latter is lesser influence, IMO

I think that like anything else, they are as closest to the GOP in ideals and they realize that they are along for the ride to get a helping hand till they don't need or actually own the GOP. Again, I would think that is the easier way than to start a party of it's own. In time to come, it might just become another special interest if things don't work out.
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Have the two parties stacked things in their favor, or is it just the result of over a century of being "in business?'....
In either case, the result is the same. The two parties make the laws. It is in their best interest to bias the laws to suppress political competition. Start with congressional districts. Do each fairly represent a cross section of society or are they carefully drawn to maximize the power of the two parties?
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Start with congressional districts. Do each fairly represent a cross section of society or are they carefully drawn to maximize the power of the two parties?
Apparently not in Florida, according to today's news.

With regard to the process, the states handle districting. In the state where I currently reside, the redistricting commission does select members who are not part of the two largest parties.

Still, as we've been discussing about the changes to the DNC and the RNC over the past 75 years with respect to civil rights, it's obvious that change can come easier from within and from additional parties.
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That's evasive, counselor. Answer the question posed, not the one you would like to answer.
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