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Old 07-13-2015, 11:31 PM
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And I think I just secured a single family rental down in NJ where we're moving to. Very excited. There is... a garage!
Wait now, somewheres in NJ is an upgrade from .. uh... er... where? And, my condolences
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Old 07-13-2015, 11:39 PM
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Wait now, somewheres in NJ is an upgrade from .. uh... er... where? And, my condolences
New Haven, CT. If I were going to sing an upbeat song about New Haven though it would go:
♫ New Haven...
it's not Bridge-Port... Yeah... whoo! ♫

Bridgeport is what New Haven would be without Yale. So if Yale is the donut hole in a no good horrible socially and economically dysfunctional donut, Bridgeport is a jelly donut filled with even greater sadness and unemployment.

I never really realized before how my excitement about moving to NJ is such a great commentary on where I live now. But yeah. There you go. Garden State! ...I fully intend to go on a Sopranos outing to the Pine Barrens too.
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Old 07-13-2015, 11:44 PM
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It is! Dreadful, dreadful suburbia. It's opposite a golf course and on a minor route.

I'm so looking forward to it. We've lived in an apartment for two years and the upstairs neighbor this last year has had a tiny yappy dog, very heavy boots, and hilarious yet, at the same time, alarming sounding liaisons at fairly odd times of day.

Ugh been there done that. Good move, hope it all goes smoothly.

Regarding your comments on new haven, philly is similar but everyone has potholes and crime here, just a matter of scale and transportation every city has its disparity and "nice" areas that are tax jackpots. Here it is pretty well distributed and everyone hates it. To be honest new haven is the one city that ct has that actually has a nightlife or that people will go TO and that is probably worth something. After high school I would actually go from Hartford to new haven to go out :X


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Old 07-13-2015, 11:46 PM
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New Haven, CT. If I were going to sing an upbeat song about New Haven though it would go:
♫ New Haven...
it's not Bridge-Port... Yeah... whoo! ♫

Bridgeport is what New Haven would be without Yale. So if Yale is the donut hole in a no good horrible socially and economically dysfunctional donut, Bridgeport is a jelly donut filled with even greater sadness and unemployment.

I never really realized before how my excitement about moving to NJ is such a great commentary on where I live now. But yeah. There you go. Garden State! ...I fully intend to go on a Sopranos outing to the Pine Barrens too.

Well if you're going to Newark, jersey city Elizabeth Trenton Camden glouscter...don't get your hopes up too much


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Old 07-14-2015, 11:24 AM
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Ha, nope, won't be in any of those places. It really will be pure burb living for me.

That's funny about New Haven and the nightlife. A guy bought The Anchor a few years ago and ran it into the ground. Richter's was gone long before. Same with old Rudy's. There are no good bars left in town at this point. Don't know about the club scene. And yale subsidizes the movie theatre since the closed the more popular one on Broadway 15 years ago. I'm pretty eager to leave at this point.
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Well if you're going to Newark, jersey city Elizabeth Trenton Camden glouscter...don't get your hopes up too much


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Newark and JC actually have some nice parts. And the former has good Portuguese food! But if all you see of NJ is from the Turnpike (i.e. those cities), you're missing a lot.

Northwestern NJ feels more like New England.
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Old 07-14-2015, 12:09 PM
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I'm not keen on dense housing either. OTOH, here in the People's Republic, Schwarzeneggers people were saying that at curent growth rates, the Central Valley - some of the richest farmland in the world, if you can get water to it anyway - was on track to be covered by suburb by 2100.
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Old 07-14-2015, 12:44 PM
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Newark and JC actually have some nice parts. And the former has good Portuguese food! But if all you see of NJ is from the Turnpike (i.e. those cities), you're missing a lot.

Northwestern NJ feels more like New England.
Seriously agree. If ones idea of the Garden State is the opening sequence of The Sopranos" there's a whole 'nother state south of Elizabeth and all the way to Cape May.
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Old 07-14-2015, 01:07 PM
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There is a city in Connecticut called New Haven. The homes there range from the low income to the ultra high income. And people don't get along well at all.

The city is nominally left in its voting yet it is very uneven in how it treats the different parts of the city. As in: The city treats every neighborhood differently when it comes to providing services.

There was no planning that brought this about. It just grew up that way.

Some of the lowest income housing can be found in any area that is Not-Yale or "East Rock". This housing is also where none of the trendy people live that keep the place from becoming boring. It is also the area where most of the hispanics and black community live.

The distance between an $80,000 house and a $8,000,000 house is about one quarter of a mile and everyone seems to be bothered by it.

The fact that poorer people are living close to wealthy people is absolutely reason for alarm. The reason for alarm is that the crime rate is higher due to one type of housing or another. In the case of New Haven there is no evidence of a higher crime rate due to the lower cost housing nearby, it is because "New Haven".

But the rich areas of the town are well maintained: the snow ploughs come through regularly, there is no trash in the street, streets are maintained, broken fixtures (like a leaking hydrant) are dealt with immediately. And the richest street in the residential areas of town is flawlessly paved except for where construction vehicles sat and manoeuvred when someone renovated their newly acquired 2.5mil house. The streets that run through Yale itself don't have so much as a dimple in their surfaces.

In every other neighborhood of the city the snow ploughs come through unreliably, there is trash everywhere because there are no trash cans, the streets have potholes, some years old, and broken fixtures are rarely dealt with, businesses are shuttered regularly, and the city doesn't even look after properties it owns.

The richest street in town is separated by three blocks from a street that has radar on the street lights to triangulate where gunshots are fired. The mayors have been corrupt for decades, nothing changes, and all the money Yale brings in is kept in the center of the donut... except for when Yalies go home to East Rock.

Wish it were more like Sugarland!
I think this might be due to a regional difference in thinking.

Texas has a mindset that its' all good. There are parts of Houston that are high crime and everyone knows where they are and stays away if they can, but Houston is also a place where a lot of people have moved in from other states. Sugarland, which is just Southwest of Houston, was built by people who were sick of Houston and moved out there to get away from it and live a lifestyle where everyone respects each others property and what-not.

There is crime in Sugarland but it is normally someone from Houston that goes there to steal things.

Next to Sugarland is Missouri City and it is so low income that to describe it as poverty level is to give it high praise. Yet the only way you know you have left Sugarland is that the streets in Missouri City are terrible since they don't have the tax base to repair them.

And the two cities get along well with each other.

So it can be done if the people living in a place decide to make it work.
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Old 07-14-2015, 01:10 PM
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What are your guys' favorite spots? We'll be a couple counties east of Trenton.
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Sort of sounds Stalinesque, doesn't it?
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What are your guys' favorite spots? We'll be a couple counties east of Trenton.
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Old 07-14-2015, 08:26 PM
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Sort of sounds Stalinesque, doesn't it?
It's non-binding and voluntary, so no. It doesn't sound Stalinesque at all really. It's just scary to foil hat types because it has "Agenda" in its name.

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Old 07-14-2015, 08:36 PM
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I think this might be due to a regional difference in thinking.

Texas has a mindset that its' all good. There are parts of Houston that are high crime and everyone knows where they are and stays away if they can, but Houston is also a place where a lot of people have moved in from other states. Sugarland, which is just Southwest of Houston, was built by people who were sick of Houston and moved out there to get away from it and live a lifestyle where everyone respects each others property and what-not.

There is crime in Sugarland but it is normally someone from Houston that goes there to steal things.

Next to Sugarland is Missouri City and it is so low income that to describe it as poverty level is to give it high praise. Yet the only way you know you have left Sugarland is that the streets in Missouri City are terrible since they don't have the tax base to repair them.

And the two cities get along well with each other.

So it can be done if the people living in a place decide to make it work.
I missed your post somehow earlier. I think you're right. I think a big problem here is that the town is dominated by a non-taxable for profit charity. There is almost no tax base really. I wish I knew of a solution for New Haven's problems but I don't.
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Here in west LA normal people cannot afford to live because the people currently living here will not allow any high density housing to be built. Usually this is because they think it will make it too difficult to drive their Ferraris down sunset at 80mph in the wee hours, and screw up grocery store trips the rest of the time. Any time a school wants to improve its facilities, hoa types balk at the prospect of more cars. Yet no one will support light rail, which would totally solve the problem. The rich use single family housing zoning to keep middle income people out. Consequently the middle class move to the valley, and then arizona, nevada, Texas or utah. Engineers, etc. No chance. So I think high density housing is actually necessary in any area where lots of people want to live, if there is to be any economic diversity among people living there. Howard Hughes' old aircraft plant in playa del rey just got turned into high density condos for Google software engineers for this reason. From my angle it seems odd that middle class people would oppose high density development because it makes housing more affordable.

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