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Old 12-10-2015, 09:26 AM
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With the new class of littoral ships they seem to have gotten rid of the back door. They are a horrible idea, but at least the new class can support 20 F35's so they are more or less a pocket carrier.

I can see the argument for having pocket carriers around, we have used them successfully in the past.

The problem with that entire class is they are assuming they are fighting a little war against a country that lacks the capability to hit any ship much less an armed one (thinking Somalia), not against a real navy.(like the Russian/PLAN) A real navy would send them all to the bottom if they are unsupported and only had helo's.
The Japanese Imperial Navy had some limited success with raider-type vessels during the island campaign. The USN tried it in Korea by taking a couple of DD's (Fletcher Class, IIRC), removing the interior 5" mounts and torpedoes, increasing berthing spaces, and carried extra motor boats. I think they carried a platoon of Marines or soldiers. Must have been cramped as hell.

I expect that the LCS was originally supposed to update the raiders for modern SpecOps then the admirals got ahold of them and everybody added their own bit of fluff.

Too many admirals can spoil the design of anything.
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Old 12-10-2015, 09:53 AM
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At the battle off Samar, Capt Robert W. Copeland of the Samuel B. Roberts (DE-413) told his crew;



The destroyer I was on had two nuclear devices, we knew if we launched we weren't coming back. That was the whole nature of Navy Destroyers, to put themselves between the enemy and the battlegroup or convoy. Why they didn't call this thing a cruiser I don't know.
They also cranked up the turbines and got nearly 29k out of her!

It must have taken brass balls to steam straight at two Japanese cruisers and a battleship at 29k in a 1,300t tin can.


The Japanese commander was shaken by how vicious the action was and thought maybe he ran into a larger fleet.
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The littoral combat ship USS Milwaukee, the Navy's newest ship that was commissioned in Milwaukee in November, broke down at sea Friday and had to be towed more than 40 nautical miles to a base in Little Creek, Va., the Navy Times reported.

The ship, constructed at the Marinette Marine Corp. shipyard in Marinette, suffered an engineering problem while in route from Halifax, Canada, to Mayport, Fla., and ultimately its home port of San Diego, according to a post on the Navy Times website.

The cause of the problem on the ship — which was towed to the Joint Expeditionary Base at Little Creek, Va. — is being evaluated by the ship's crew and technical consultants, according to the Times.

Initial indications are that fine metal debris that collected in the lube oil filter caused the system to shut down, but the cause is not known, the Times reported.

"Reporting of a complete loss of propulsion on USS Milwaukee (LCS 5) is deeply alarming, particularly given this ship was commissioned just 20 days ago," Sen. John McCain, the chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee who has voiced serious reservations about the LCS program in the past, said in a statement to the Times.

"U.S. Navy ships are built with redundant systems to enable continued operation in the event of an engineering casualty, which makes this incident very concerning."

At the time of its commissioning critics said the $437 million ship still hadn't met expectations.

They said the Milwaukee and several other new 380-foot ships haven't lived up to promises in some key areas, such as the ability to quickly swap out combat modules for missions that include searching for underwater mines and engaging in battle with other ships.

They pointed to interchangeable modules on the vessels that are supposed to make the ships more versatile, with each version tailored for a specific purpose such as minesweeping or hunting submarines.

The original goal was to be able to change the modules in 72 hours.

But in practice, the "plug and play" concept isn't working, said Dakota Wood, senior research fellow for defense programs at the Heritage Foundation, a conservative think tank in Washington, D.C.

Marinette Marine employs about 2,000 people building the ships designed for a variety of missions including combat in shallow, coastal waters.

Defense contractor Lockheed Martin Corp., through Marinette, has delivered three of the ships to the Navy: USS Freedom, USS Fort Worth and the USS Milwaukee.

Six more of the warships are in various stages of construction in Marinette, while a different version is being built in Mobile, Ala. Altogether, the U.S. Navy wants 52 of the vessels, and foreign navies have shown interest in purchasing them as well.

The Navy has said it was satisfied with the LCS program.

USS Fort Worth was delivered to the Navy in 2012 and has since traveled thousands of nautical miles including a recent trip in the South China Sea where it was tailed by Chinese military vessels.

USS Freedom, commissioned in Milwaukee in 2008, has done patrols in the South China Sea and, despite experiencing several breakdowns, the deployment was deemed a success, according to the Navy.

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The littoral combat ship USS Milwaukee, the Navy's newest ship that was commissioned in Milwaukee in November, broke down at sea Friday and had to be towed more than 40 nautical miles to a base in Little Creek, Va., the Navy Times reported.



I was in a Knox class FF and they went DIW too often but it was a cheap POS from the very beginning. But Milwaukee going DIW could of been a disaster.
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Propulsion: 2 Rolls-Royce MT30 36 MW gas turbines, 2 Colt-Pielstick diesel engines, 4 Rolls-Royce waterjets
Speed: 45 knots (52 mph; 83 km/h) (sea state 3)
I can't fathom how they lost both turbines.
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Metal flakes in lube oil ain't good. Doesn't matter if its a steam turbine, gas turbine or pistons. Something done gone bad wrongified.

I'm guessing a construction alignment error.
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Metal flakes in lube oil ain't good. Doesn't matter if its a steam turbine, gas turbine or pistons. Something done gone bad wrongified.

I'm guessing a construction alignment error.
had to be that oversized squirt gun. You can't take a ski doo jet ski and just super size it
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Interesting LCS blog.

Well, for those interested in the LCS fiasco. Probably nobody since its spending ardently supported by admirals and leaders of both major parties.

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Metal flakes in lube oil ain't good. Doesn't matter if its a steam turbine, gas turbine or pistons. Something done gone bad wrongified.

I'm guessing a construction alignment error.
Both turbines share the same lube system?
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That's somewhat implied in the report of metal flakes in lube oil.
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Scrap #3 bearing in left engine, salvo both.

You'd think the filter or filters must have clogged and gone into bypass then.

And no bypass or clog indicator?
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Hard to imagine anything so clod-headedly designed.
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It comes from seven years of running all our military officers thru the PC/EEO filters. It's a damn wonder each unit doesn't have a political commissar.
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Hard to imagine anything so clod-headedly designed.
I bet the water jet propulsion system crapped out. Those turbines are pretty reliable. I'd be surprised if they shared the same oil too.

Found a couple nice sites:

This Is The Littoral Combat Ship USS Milwaukee Running Flat Out At Full Throttle

Inside the USS Milwaukee, a Navy ship built for speed

The MT30 gas turbine is a complete marine package offering up to 36MW. - Image - Naval Technology
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