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Old 05-28-2016, 03:49 PM
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We had the "Audacity of Hope", a rather unspectacular development.
Now we are having the "Audacity of Trump". What you gonna do?
Not a lot I can do sorry to say. I can call a spade a spade however.

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I don't think he's going to go all Caligula on us however.

Nero maybe ...
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Old 05-28-2016, 03:57 PM
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Besides, wasn't the law in the US that you were Black if you were either 1/8 Black (one great-grandparent) or had "one drop" of Black blood? Depending on state. Usually for purposes of discrimination.
It's way beyond law now. Being half white/half black makes it clear that you are not white, i.e. not 99%+ European genes. That's how people define white. Fair, nice, noble or otherwise.

I suspect Steph Curry is approx 1/4 black. Less than half at any rate. It's weird but people are unlikely to refer to him as white.

I'm tempted to go the DNA ancestry test route but I'm pretty sure it would come back AngloSaxon/Scando exclusively. I am a white mofo, a couple of notches away from albino. My father even moreso and it's his side that is suspect for possible NA interaction.
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Old 05-28-2016, 04:35 PM
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Trump apparently views himself as the next Louis the 14th (or was it 15th?)

as for the décor....yuck!
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Old 05-28-2016, 04:43 PM
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It's way beyond law now. Being half white/half black makes it clear that you are not white, i.e. not 99%+ European genes. That's how people define white. Fair, nice, noble or otherwise.

I suspect Steph Curry is approx 1/4 black. Less than half at any rate. It's weird but people are unlikely to refer to him as white.

I'm tempted to go the DNA ancestry test route but I'm pretty sure it would come back AngloSaxon/Scando exclusively. I am a white mofo, a couple of notches away from albino. My father even moreso and it's his side that is suspect for possible NA interaction.
In Louisiana it is legally 1/32 and you are black. It's a hold-over from French & Spanish slave laws. In the 80's the legislature tried to repeal it but the African-American lobby fought to keep it as a way of maintaining and increasing their voting strength.
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Wow. Truth is stranger than fiction.
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It could be that Louisiana is stranger than fiction! Ever seen, "True Detective"? That's mah home!
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Yeah, in the deep south such matters were probably commited to law, as they were in south Africa under white rule. Of course they did not have DNA evidence so there were signs which were listed as evidence of black blood, such as curly hair and freckles.

There was an excellent story by Mark Twain about the subject (more or less) of white heritage vs black. Puddi'nhead
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Wilson, I believe was the name.

In the story a nanny who was black but looked white had a baby about the same time as her Master and mistress and switched the babies so her baby was raised as the wealthy white man and the master's blood son raised as black. As you can imagine with Twain's fertile mind the story is quite interesting.
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Old 05-28-2016, 10:22 PM
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indeed. I have corrected that. Thanks for the correction too.
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It could be that Louisiana is stranger than fiction! Ever seen, "True Detective"? That's mah home!
I sometimes tell stories about the days of the Kingfish. Everyone thinks I am spinning a yard or testing a story concept.

When they find out these things are true they just go all wobbly.
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This Warren being Native American thing.....

There are a lot of people in Oklahoma that have Native American blood in them and don't know it. And if you are not on the tribal rolls it takes moving Heaven and Earth to get on.

So even people who are sure they have tribal links don't get too upset about it. Everyone has heard stories about how tough it is to prove it.

And a lot of Indians didn't want to be on the rolls. When they were drawn up there was little incentive to have your name connected with them. In many cases it worked against you.

But the high cheekbones don't lie, unless you are a Sac and Fox and then the lack of cheekbones is the giveaway.

But this all got started when someone claimed it for her. To fine out if she has the blood would take hours and hours of research and I doubt that she cares to put in the time.

I think it is interesting Trump is calling her names and making a big deal out of this. It shows he is scared of her and is trying to belittle her with insults and not facts.

That's because the facts are not on his side. He needs to send his 'crack team' to find out the facts like he did with Obama's Birth Cert.
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I know my background, I'm not sharing it to gain anybody's support or sympathy. I'm sure as hell not going to apply for the handouts I am supposedly entitled to.
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I know my background, I'm not sharing it to gain anybody's support or sympathy. I'm sure as hell not going to apply for the handouts I am supposedly entitled to.
There is no proof that she received any sort of benefit from being (maybe) a tiny bit native. The whole thing strikes me as a huge brew-ha-ha that started with Scott Brown and has gained life as a meme that won't die.
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I did 23AndMe and it said I am actually one of the hidden masters of the universe. My true identity will be revealed by converting and coding my DNA sequence to music and playing it backwards.

Several years ago I read (or heard on the tube) that many more African-Americans believe they have Native American or Spanish heritage than their DNA indicates. Most white people are DYING to discover an American Indian ancestor back a few generations ago. It seems to offer a cachet to a probably bland family history.
I really am not trying to save the fair damsel Warren. I'm not a big fan of hers, I think she's made a few good points here and there but in general I'm not big on her style or POV.

However, I too have observed the bolded thing above in action and giving Warren endless grief for what very likely was her passing on what elders in her family told her strikes me as a weird sort of bullying.

My best guess is Harvard hired her because she was qualified and was basically white but they could behave as though she was a minority. So to some degree, she did get an advantage from the Native thing, but the general word about her in her career is that she was a talented legal mind so I doubt it made a big difference.

It is, however, good fodder for them who put affirmative action on the altar reserved for extra special fear and loathing.
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I have enjoyed what she has had to say about the crooked bankers and about the fact that our system is rigged so regular people have a tough time getting ahead.

I did a bit of research about her just now on the internet. She has come from modest means. Her father was a janitor and was demoted after having a heart attack when she was 12 that limited his ability to do physical work. During that time the family car was lost due to being unable to make the payments.

She became a debate whiz in High school and got scholarships to go to college. She dropped out of college and married a fellow named Warren who was employed by NASA. they had two children together then divorced. Somewhere along in there she mangaed to get a degree and advanced degree.

Throughout her life family members had mentioned many times that they had NA blood. The belief was that she was 1/32.

I thought I was 1/16 possibly based on verbal statements by my father. We are dark complected with brown eyes and straight brown hair.

The Walgamuth's ancestry has been traced to Nuremberg by an aunt and people from southern Germany also have dark skin, dark hair and dark eyes, having been conquered a long time ago by the Romans. I had assumed it was true about the NA blood until I got the results of a 23 and me genetic test. Now presumably it was the Romans I can thank for my complexion and hair color.

My research shows that it is more likely that her employer benefited from listing her as native american than that she got her job because of it.

she has been a champion of regular people and has consistently spoke against the rigging of our society to help the rich and powerful. IE enormous banks and industries were bailed out but thousands if not millions of ordinary Americans lost their jobs and all their financial security in the recession.

The rich and powerful fear her because they rightly believe if she has the chance she will do something about it.

If I get the chance I'll certainly vote for her.
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There is no proof that she received any sort of benefit from being (maybe) a tiny bit native. The whole thing strikes me as a huge brew-ha-ha that started with Scott Brown and has gained life as a meme that won't die.
BINGO!

Scott Brown cooked this up because he knew he could not defeat her when it came to actually doing the job.

So he had to go negative. The problem was he had nothing to negative with.

So he just made stuff up. Knowing that Conservative hate affirm. action he thought this would blind the voters to who was the best for the job.

It turns out the voters didn't care then. And despite the Donald's jumping on to the smear train.... The voters still don't care.
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